TPS junk? Carb guys can ignore this!

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zachmac
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Your car is a: 1978 Spider [1979 2 ltr engine]
Location: Aiken, SC

TPS junk? Carb guys can ignore this!

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I wasn't sure if this should go in electrical or engine so I posted it here.

I am cleaning / refurbishing my FI system on my 1980 Spider. I THOUGHT I had a decent running car but if you look at my earlier post on the injectors, I hve already found out one was basically an open leak constantly dumping fuel in one cylinder. Now I also suspect I have failed TPS switch.

If I understand correctly the TPS is basically a variable resistor (potentiometer) that takes a 5v signal from the ECU and depending on position sends somewhere between full voltage to very low voltage back to the ECU to indicate throttle position. I think it should be 0 ohms at closed throttle (sending 5 volts back) and minimal volts (high resistance) at WOT. This tells the ECU to lengthen the pulses as you open the trhottle and shorten them / shut off the injectors at closed throttle, correct?

The one off of my "running well" car is basically an open so it hasn't been passing any signal back. I believe this means the ECU has been sending maximum duration pulses to all of my injectors all of the time. Seems like maybe I was running a bit rich?

BEFORE I order a new TPS, can anyone confirm what I have stated here and that an infinite ohm reading between TPS pins 18 and 2 regardless of TPS position does indeed indicate that is is now a paperweight?

BTW, yes I have Bradleys excellent write up on the system, I just want to make sure I am understanding it correctly.
Jeff Klein, Aiken, SC
1980 FI Spider, Veridian with Tan (sold about a year ago), in the market for another project
1989 Spider, sold
2008 Mercedes SL65
2008 S600 Mercedes V12
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Snoopy
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Your car is a: 1980 CS0 2000 f.i. US [Build 1979]
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

Re: TPS junk? Carb guys can ignore this!

Post by Snoopy »

The Spider TPS is only a switch no two switches:
One switch idle position and one switch full throttle...

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zachmac
Posts: 1278
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Your car is a: 1978 Spider [1979 2 ltr engine]
Location: Aiken, SC

Re: TPS junk? Carb guys can ignore this!

Post by zachmac »

Based on this I should see open between 3 and 18 and shorted between 2 and 18 at one extreme of travel and the opposite at the other extreme of travel. Correct. So, if I only see infinite resitance between 2 and 18 regardless of the position I still have a bad switch.
Jeff Klein, Aiken, SC
1980 FI Spider, Veridian with Tan (sold about a year ago), in the market for another project
1989 Spider, sold
2008 Mercedes SL65
2008 S600 Mercedes V12
zachmac
Posts: 1278
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:20 am
Your car is a: 1978 Spider [1979 2 ltr engine]
Location: Aiken, SC

Re: TPS junk? Carb guys can ignore this!

Post by zachmac »

Snoopy,

Thank you for saving me some $s. After further testing my switch does indeed work exactly as the diagram you provided shows.
Jeff Klein, Aiken, SC
1980 FI Spider, Veridian with Tan (sold about a year ago), in the market for another project
1989 Spider, sold
2008 Mercedes SL65
2008 S600 Mercedes V12
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