New to me '83 spider project
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:16 am
For some reason I picked up a '83 spider project car. This will be my 5th Fiat and first SpiderEuropa (DS0). I still have my '75 which pulled the nuts off the cross member last year and has been sitting ever since. That car needed the frame chopped and rewelded after getting smacked.
Anyway, this car has some rust and may need more work to fix it up that I want to put into it. Then again it may not. It is sad in that the car has a spedo that reads only kph and has 73364 Km on it (that's about 45000 miles). I'm not up on its history but it appears to have originated in Virginia and made it's way to Washington. The sad part is the neglect that allowed the rust to eat away part of the passenger rear wheel well and paint bubbles where the top boot would attach.
This will be my first FI car...which has the head off. I have no idea why. That is minor as that I have an engine that I've been rebuilding (for years) sitting in the garage. This 2l engine has 8mm mondals.
I'm more or less planning on getting the things I added to the '75 off and putting on the '83. Of course I'll need to inspect the '83 better (just got it home tonight). Shocks, spoiler, springs, master cyl calipers, rotors and so on. All the things that I replaced or rebuilt on the '75 that fit.
The top on the '83 looks good so far. The '73 has "wings" of course. Perhaps someone would like to buy near new cloth top for an early style frame.
Somme questions come to mind. I'm thinking that I'll just pull the transmission and really clean it ouut well and re gasket it. Don't know if there is a problem or not but I'm thinking that it cannot hurt to inspect. And I have a gasket set sitting on the self.
I need to measure the combustion chamber volume of the FI head. The head that I have for the 2l that I was building has 50 cc (from memory) chambers and an IAP big valve kit. I would like to get a larger combustion chamber so as to lower the CR. I have a 2mm head gasket if needed to drop the CR. The big valve head and 2mm gasket work out to 10.4:1
I was reading about IDF vs FI and how hotter cams needed remapping the FI. So my choices with the 2l block are:
1) big valve head, 2mm gasket (10.4 CR) dual IDF, 80:40 inlet and stock ex
2) stock FI head on 8mm piston block with or without 2mm head gasket
Options could be to to get the FI head ported and perhaps a big valve kit installed. All the while trying to keep the combustion chamber volume intact.
More lines of interest are what good (and how much work is it) to get hotter cams with FI.
My goal would be a near stage 2 engine that is easy to drive in stop and go, somewhere between 150 and 180 HP and just good fun in a Fiat.
How can you help in this thread? Just spill your thoughts out. Say whatever comes to mind and I'll sort it all ouut and see what works for me.
Regards, Ethan
Anyway, this car has some rust and may need more work to fix it up that I want to put into it. Then again it may not. It is sad in that the car has a spedo that reads only kph and has 73364 Km on it (that's about 45000 miles). I'm not up on its history but it appears to have originated in Virginia and made it's way to Washington. The sad part is the neglect that allowed the rust to eat away part of the passenger rear wheel well and paint bubbles where the top boot would attach.
This will be my first FI car...which has the head off. I have no idea why. That is minor as that I have an engine that I've been rebuilding (for years) sitting in the garage. This 2l engine has 8mm mondals.
I'm more or less planning on getting the things I added to the '75 off and putting on the '83. Of course I'll need to inspect the '83 better (just got it home tonight). Shocks, spoiler, springs, master cyl calipers, rotors and so on. All the things that I replaced or rebuilt on the '75 that fit.
The top on the '83 looks good so far. The '73 has "wings" of course. Perhaps someone would like to buy near new cloth top for an early style frame.
Somme questions come to mind. I'm thinking that I'll just pull the transmission and really clean it ouut well and re gasket it. Don't know if there is a problem or not but I'm thinking that it cannot hurt to inspect. And I have a gasket set sitting on the self.
I need to measure the combustion chamber volume of the FI head. The head that I have for the 2l that I was building has 50 cc (from memory) chambers and an IAP big valve kit. I would like to get a larger combustion chamber so as to lower the CR. I have a 2mm head gasket if needed to drop the CR. The big valve head and 2mm gasket work out to 10.4:1
I was reading about IDF vs FI and how hotter cams needed remapping the FI. So my choices with the 2l block are:
1) big valve head, 2mm gasket (10.4 CR) dual IDF, 80:40 inlet and stock ex
2) stock FI head on 8mm piston block with or without 2mm head gasket
Options could be to to get the FI head ported and perhaps a big valve kit installed. All the while trying to keep the combustion chamber volume intact.
More lines of interest are what good (and how much work is it) to get hotter cams with FI.
My goal would be a near stage 2 engine that is easy to drive in stop and go, somewhere between 150 and 180 HP and just good fun in a Fiat.
How can you help in this thread? Just spill your thoughts out. Say whatever comes to mind and I'll sort it all ouut and see what works for me.
Regards, Ethan