How many Fiat 124 spider exist in the world

[clbrenta]

200,000 units produced.
In Italy there are 2,016 spiders. (Source "public Vehicle register" - "PRA" -agg. 2011-)
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FIAT 124 SPIDER (generic data) 433
FIAT 124 SPIDER 1.8 418
FIAT 124 SPIDER 1.5 (?) 392
FIAT 124 SPIDER 1.6 379
FIAT 124 SPIDER (generic data) 175
PININFARINA 124 DS SPIDER 219
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TOT 2016

Bye

claudio

[bradartigue]

I doubt that many are in Italy. For a car that sold in low numbers in Europe to begin with - numbers so low they stopped selling it in Europe for many years - having 1% of the total production volume running around just seems high.

[clbrenta]

Produced in Europe from 1966 to 1976. Reintroduced in Europe with brand PININFARINA in 1981 - "SPIDER EUROPE"
The data are "official data"
Good day

claudio

[spider2081]

Claudio, How easy is it to get parts for our Spiders in Europe?

[bradartigue]

Produced in Europe from 1966 to 1976. Reintroduced in Europe with brand PININFARINA in 1981 - "SPIDER EUROPE"
The data are "official data"
Good day

claudio

Thanks for the history lesson. Since this is official data - Italian official data - it must be absolutely accurate.

The above is sarcasm. This is not: the 1981 Spider was made by FIAT, the 1983 Spider (spidereuropa in Europe and Azzura in the USA) was manufactured by Pininfarina.

[clbrenta]

Claudio, How easy is it to get parts for our Spiders in Europe?

Find the data in public office is never easy (at least in Italy). These are official for Italy to 2011. For the other European countries would be very difficult for me to find them.

[bradartigue]

Claudio, How easy is it to get parts for our Spiders in Europe?

Find the data in public office is never easy (at least in Italy). These are official for Italy to 2011. For the other European countries would be very difficult for me to find them.

it is nearly impossible everywhere. I think the best guess is less than 10% of the original production of cars exist in the world, and less than 10% of those work...that would leave about 2,000 street worthy cars in the world. Which sounds reasonable to me.

[clbrenta]

Luckily I saved the Excel file (more than 20000 lines) because now I can not find it online.
However, each state has a registry. everything is going to find it.

The file is available for those who want to indicate the number of cars by brand, type, model.
Probably it will not be very precise, but certainly reliable.

For example: Cadillac Eldorado 257 cars

[Snoopy]

Spiderregister fiatspider.de
https://www.fiatspider.de/de/interaktiv ... ister.html
The german KBA (Karftfahrtbundesamt) only lists the in germany actually registered and sold Spiders: (no reimports...)

Typschlüsselnummer, Modell, Anzahl
343, 124 Spider, 121
359, Spider Typ 124 BS, 24
364, Spider Typ 124 BS 1, 149
369, Spider Typ 124 BS 1, 208
378, Sport-Spider 1600 Typ 124 CS, 17
379, Sport-Spider 1600 Typ 124 CS, 8
380, Sport-Spider 1800 Typ 124 CS 1, 48
381, Sport-Spider 1800 Typ 124 CS 1, 143
393, RALLY-ABARTH Typ 124 CSA, 23
300, Spidereuropa Typ 124 DS, 1217
301, Spidereuropa Volumex Typ 124 DS, 242
302, Spidereuropa Kataly. Typ 124 DS, 305

[azruss]

Snoopy,
So this is a list of all 124s that were registered in Germany or that are currently registered.

[azruss]

Brad,
The "2000 running in the world" seems low. Here in Phoenix (3 million people). my guess is there are a least 10 running spiders. I can account for 11 that i know of (3 participate in this site). If looking at Craigslist is an indication, there may be as many as 20 in the area. I have the feeling that SoCal, Chicago and the east coast have far more spider concentration than here. When i go to Spokane and visit Don Raugust, i get the feeling there are at least 5 up there in the area with a population less than 500,000.
It might be constructive if each of the participants to this forum would do an estimate of their local area and work from there.

[clbrenta]

Spiderregister fiatspider.de
https://www.fiatspider.de/de/interaktiv ... ister.html
The german KBA (Karftfahrtbundesamt) only lists the in germany actually registered and sold Spiders: (no reimports...)

Typschlüsselnummer, Modell, Anzahl
343, 124 Spider, 121
359, Spider Typ 124 BS, 24
364, Spider Typ 124 BS 1, 149
369, Spider Typ 124 BS 1, 208
378, Sport-Spider 1600 Typ 124 CS, 17
379, Sport-Spider 1600 Typ 124 CS, 8
380, Sport-Spider 1800 Typ 124 CS 1, 48
381, Sport-Spider 1800 Typ 124 CS 1, 143
393, RALLY-ABARTH Typ 124 CSA, 23
300, Spidereuropa Typ 124 DS, 1217
301, Spidereuropa Volumex Typ 124 DS, 242
302, Spidereuropa Kataly. Typ 124 DS, 305

Dank Snoopy,
Each state has definitely a vehicle registration. Just access to this data to get a complete picture of the existing 124 spider. Certainly it is not easy

claudio

[clbrenta]

Snoopy,
So this is a list of all 124s that were registered in Germany or that are currently registered.

I think they are cars circulating (who pay taxes and / or insurance)

[aj81spider]

According to this link http://www.globallistics.com/spidersweb ... iesgb.html 27,400 Spiders were sold in Europe. If we assume this is accurate, then the numbers above (2016 in Italy and 2505 in Germany) imply that 17% of all Spiders sold in Europe are still on the road in just two countries. Any Spiders on the road in other European countries would drive the percentage higher.

That seems high to me.

To illustrate: if 17% of all Spiders sold in the US were still on the road there would be 29,000 Spiders - we would be seeing them everywhere. Scaled for population, Phoenix, mentioned above, with 3 million people would have about 300 Spiders on the road rather than the 11-20 mentioned.

I'm not weighing in one way or another - just pointing out that some of the numbers are very counterintuitive to me. If those numbers are accurate then either Europeans preserved Spiders at a significantly higher rate than Americans, or the total sales in Europe were much higher than the sources I've seen indicate.

[bradartigue]

Brad,
The "2000 running in the world" seems low. Here in Phoenix (3 million people). my guess is there are a least 10 running spiders. I can account for 11 that i know of (3 participate in this site). If looking at Craigslist is an indication, there may be as many as 20 in the area. I have the feeling that SoCal, Chicago and the east coast have far more spider concentration than here. When i go to Spokane and visit Don Raugust, i get the feeling there are at least 5 up there in the area with a population less than 500,000.
It might be constructive if each of the participants to this forum would do an estimate of their local area and work from there.

As long as we're guesstimating you have a 10:3,000,000 ratio of cars to population. That's 1:300,000. In the USA that would be 1,060 cars. In Europe it is 2,473 cars. Whazzat then - 3,533 cars in the original sales regions. I think the real number is in there, guesstimate or not, about 1%-2% of total original cars remain on the road today. That's not a bad total; of the 10,000 cars made per year about 175 have survived.

This is a very difficult exercise, mainly because the USA DMVs are not integrated, the data is horribly inaccurate and does not do a good job accounting for cars that move around, go away, etc. I can't imagine Italian record keeping is any better. Compound all of this with FIAT's own problems accounting for all of the cars (search for serial numbers, it will drive you mad).

And one other comment - on Europe as a market for the Spider - it was barelya market. The car sold miserably in Europe relative to the USA, so bad that for five model years they didn't even sell it there.