Rough idle problem

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spidernut
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Your car is a: 1979 Fiat Spider Automatic
Location: Lincoln, CA

Rough idle problem

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Despite working on these cars for a very long time, sometimes you run into something relatively simple that tests your mechanical knowledge and patience.

After I rebuilt my motor on my 79 and got everything all hooked up then fired it up, I had a rough idle. It was obviously a fuel issue, so I pulled the carb, found a few issues and rebuilt it. I then restarted the car and it still had a rough idle though it had improved some.

I then turned to the idle stop solenoid which is another common trouble spot. I tested it and cleaned the ports with some spray carb cleaner but it didn't help...still running rough. I found that closing the choke smoothed it out and realized it had to be a sizable vacuum leak. I checked all the vacuum lines (stock 79 emissions) and they were fine. I checked the power brake booster line and it was fine.

I then popped the fuel lines and found fuel pouring out of the fuel return line at the carb even though the car was off. I removed the gas cap and there was significant pressure built up. Looks like I'll need a vapor check valve. I then loosened the gas cap.

I tinkered for a while, started the car several times and couldn't find the issue. Then...the car wouldn't start at all. I checked and had no fuel pressure because the mechanical fuel pump went out. How random is that? I believe the built up pressure in the tank blew out the diaphragm in the pump. So, I swapped it out with another that I had and it fired up but still ran rough (gas cap off so it wouldn't build up pressure again).

I then retreated to the living room for the night and visualized the entire intake system. After some thought, I decided it was most likely a bad gulp valve. Tonight I swapped it with a spare I have and it runs absolutely amazing now.

I think finding the problem made the rebuild all the more fulfilling! Now I can turn my attention to the other things that need to be addressed. She's coming together! :D Yeah!!!
John G.
1979 Spider (Owned since 2000)
1971 124 Sport Spider (Owned since 2017)
1977 Spider (Sold 2017)
1979 Spider (Disposed of in 2017)
1979 Spider (Sold 2015)
1980 Spider (Sold in 2013)
1981 Spider (Sold in 1985)
2017 Spider (Owned since 2019)
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Your car is a: Fiat Spider - 1971 BS1
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Re: Rough idle problem

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John, Really nice write up. :mrgreen:
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Re: Rough idle problem

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Very helpful link for us troubleshooting our finicky 79 carb jobs. Thanks for posting.
fredguaz
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Your car is a: 1977 Fiat Spider
Location: Lake Norman, NC

Re: Rough idle problem

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Gulp valve??
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Lake Norman, NC

1977 Fiat Spider (current project)
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spidernut
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Your car is a: 1979 Fiat Spider Automatic
Location: Lincoln, CA

Re: Rough idle problem

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John G.
1979 Spider (Owned since 2000)
1971 124 Sport Spider (Owned since 2017)
1977 Spider (Sold 2017)
1979 Spider (Disposed of in 2017)
1979 Spider (Sold 2015)
1980 Spider (Sold in 2013)
1981 Spider (Sold in 1985)
2017 Spider (Owned since 2019)
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