Steering Wheel Refurb
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Steering Wheel Refurb
Ah, what to do about that old stock wooden 124 steering wheel?
I've frankly gone back on forth on this for as long as I've owned my car. Why I even have a leather wrapped Momo that I never installed! But there is something about the mahogany wheel that came on the car that appeals to me. (And yes, mine is mahogany. I know in some later years they seemed to go over to plastic of the same color.) For one is its classic looks. Dated for sure, but no more so than the rest of the car. That is its charm.
The skinniness I can deal with. On long drives I simply do what sportscar drivers always did 'back when': Wear driving gloves. But while the wood on mine looks pretty much like new (amazingly so!) - the black, drilled, metal spokes have gotten rusty for the umteenth time despite being painted and repainted.
This time, however, I approached the refinishing of the metal differently. Instead of again trying to fight the rust I decided to try working with it. So instead of paint I used RT16A - a latex-based material that chemically binds with the oxide in rust - turning into a dense, tough, black surface.
I've used RT16A before and been very impressed with its strength. Indeed, as the instructions say, if you spill or splatter it you better remove it while it is still wet. Once hardened it is almost impossible to get off.
RT16A is thick. A typical two-coat layer is a good 3 or 4 mils thick. And depending on how it is applied it can be either smooth or slightly textured. I chose the later using a small but thick bristled brush to apply it, carefully keeping all finish strokes running lengthwise down the spoke. This, I thought, would integrate in well with the natural grain of the wood which clearly shows through the heavy marine varnish Fiat apparently used to finish it. Too, it would cover over the less than perfectly smooth surface of the metal which had 32 years worth of corrosion.
RT16A goes on creamy white. Then, due to its contact with the oxides in any rust present, it blackens and turns hard.
Two coats are typically needed with the 2nd being applied within about twenty minutes. After that the sealing is so complete that the hardening and blackening may not occur do to lack of oxide exposure.
The job was simple and reasonably quick. I removed the horn button and surround so I could coat the metal right up to (and under) it. The edge adjacent to the wood I just 'cut' carefully by hand. Not at all difficult. Care was of course taken to avoid any splatter.
So how did it turn out? You can decide for yourself. Suffice it to say that I am well pleased.
-don
I've frankly gone back on forth on this for as long as I've owned my car. Why I even have a leather wrapped Momo that I never installed! But there is something about the mahogany wheel that came on the car that appeals to me. (And yes, mine is mahogany. I know in some later years they seemed to go over to plastic of the same color.) For one is its classic looks. Dated for sure, but no more so than the rest of the car. That is its charm.
The skinniness I can deal with. On long drives I simply do what sportscar drivers always did 'back when': Wear driving gloves. But while the wood on mine looks pretty much like new (amazingly so!) - the black, drilled, metal spokes have gotten rusty for the umteenth time despite being painted and repainted.
This time, however, I approached the refinishing of the metal differently. Instead of again trying to fight the rust I decided to try working with it. So instead of paint I used RT16A - a latex-based material that chemically binds with the oxide in rust - turning into a dense, tough, black surface.
I've used RT16A before and been very impressed with its strength. Indeed, as the instructions say, if you spill or splatter it you better remove it while it is still wet. Once hardened it is almost impossible to get off.
RT16A is thick. A typical two-coat layer is a good 3 or 4 mils thick. And depending on how it is applied it can be either smooth or slightly textured. I chose the later using a small but thick bristled brush to apply it, carefully keeping all finish strokes running lengthwise down the spoke. This, I thought, would integrate in well with the natural grain of the wood which clearly shows through the heavy marine varnish Fiat apparently used to finish it. Too, it would cover over the less than perfectly smooth surface of the metal which had 32 years worth of corrosion.
RT16A goes on creamy white. Then, due to its contact with the oxides in any rust present, it blackens and turns hard.
Two coats are typically needed with the 2nd being applied within about twenty minutes. After that the sealing is so complete that the hardening and blackening may not occur do to lack of oxide exposure.
The job was simple and reasonably quick. I removed the horn button and surround so I could coat the metal right up to (and under) it. The edge adjacent to the wood I just 'cut' carefully by hand. Not at all difficult. Care was of course taken to avoid any splatter.
So how did it turn out? You can decide for yourself. Suffice it to say that I am well pleased.
-don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
it sure looks like the plastic wheels, nice job on the spokes
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
Yes. But looked at closely it has a mahogany grain under a what appears to be a thick coat of translucent varnish.So Cal Mark wrote:it sure looks like the plastic wheels, nice job on the spokes
I thought they were all like that until I looked at in a friend's parts-car collection and saw that some, although a similar color, were grain free and almost universally cracked in a way one commonly sees on plastic from that period.
Here is an extreme close up photo. Notice how the "varnish" appears to follow the grain...
Do you think I am making a faulty assumption?
-don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
I like my Nardi. I lacquered th center part.
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It is beautiful. Ever tempted to try to duplicate that finish on the dash and console?SLOSpider wrote:I like my Nardi. I lacquered th center part.
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
Ummm, in a word, yes. They are very nice plastic steering wheels, but plastic none the less.DUCeditor wrote: Do you think I am making a faulty assumption?
-don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
I am going to eventually when I can find out what kind of wood it is then make the dash out of it. The pic is washed out but the wood grain is beautiful. Now the rim part looks a bit off so Im sure Ill do that someday too. I do have it up for sale but I keep working on it as I can. Moving at the end of the month and waiting to here about a house I put an offer on so Ill be in limbo for about a month.
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
If so it fooled me completely for 22 years!kmead wrote:Ummm, in a word, yes. They are very nice plastic steering wheels, but plastic none the less.DUCeditor wrote: Do you think I am making a faulty assumption?
-don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
You could go to a woodwoking shop - the type that specializes in serving furniture makers - and get their thoughts.SLOSpider wrote:I am going to eventually when I can find out what kind of wood it is then make the dash out of it.
Then again, I did that and was told "mahogany and marine varnish." No mention of plastic. (Dang clever Italians! And Michaelangelo thought he was given a block of marble.)
-don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
No matter what it is made of it looks Assume!
Great idea with what you used. RT16 A ? Where can you get that stuff. Can you paint over it as well?
Looks Great Don
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Great idea with what you used. RT16 A ? Where can you get that stuff. Can you paint over it as well?
Looks Great Don
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
don, you could not possibly put a nicer wheel that would blend better with the rest of your interior. It is perfect. And, based on the extreme close-up photo, my guess is real wood. You should be able to scan all around the wheel and find telltale signs of the grain and of the way the wood was crafted, that no plastic could touch.
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
Nice job with the rust conversion.
It will sound odd to many, but I actually like the minimal surface rust on my old wheel, right where the hand wraps around the rim and brushes the spokes. Like all the other minor wear and tear in my coupe, it's not going to compromise function and adds to the charm as an authentic patina. It reminds me of a photo of an old Mercedes SSK, where the steering wheel was worn at 2:00 and 8:00, because of the odd way the driver always held the wheel. I won't be changing mine.
It will sound odd to many, but I actually like the minimal surface rust on my old wheel, right where the hand wraps around the rim and brushes the spokes. Like all the other minor wear and tear in my coupe, it's not going to compromise function and adds to the charm as an authentic patina. It reminds me of a photo of an old Mercedes SSK, where the steering wheel was worn at 2:00 and 8:00, because of the odd way the driver always held the wheel. I won't be changing mine.
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
By the way, it's plastic. The wheels in the early 124s were quite nicely done and even feel good in the hand. However, despite appearances, there are some dead giveaways that it's not wood. Look around the whole rim. You'll find no signs of a split or a join. It would be nearly impossible to create a wood rim that had a grain following the circumference of the rim without a join line (unless they somehow cut rims out of single cross-sectional discs of wood from trees over 40cm in diameter, which is highly unlikely).
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
I think the Nardi wheel wood is veneer. The slightly smaller diameter makes for a little more knee room, and the adaptor reduces the "reach".
I can't find a seam in mine. Mahogany plywood can be finished to match. A Radio Pilot clockand a Spider Point bezel, and budda boom
I can't find a seam in mine. Mahogany plywood can be finished to match. A Radio Pilot clockand a Spider Point bezel, and budda boom
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Re: Steering Wheel Refurb
Could be a veneer - the seam is probably where the dark line runs around the front of the wheel.baltobernie wrote:I think the Nardi wheel wood is veneer.
I can't find a seam in mine.
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