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azygoustoyou

Painting cart

Post by azygoustoyou »

Has anyone here made or have a cart that they put their car on to paint. I'm ready to take my car off the rotisserie and want to put it on a cart so it isn't in the way at times. I want to have the cart so I could put the suspension on also when the time comes. I was wondering how high I should make the cart? It would be nice to be able to take the cart away from the car with ease too once the wheels are on. Pic's are good!
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ITA124
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Your car is a: 1976 Fiat 124 Spider
Location: Sydney, Australia

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I completed the whole restoration on a chassis stand. I drilled and fitted some 10mm blind nuts where the jack points are located and mounted here. The blind nuts are fitted with a special swag tool, but I guess you can find a suitable alternate if you don't have access.

I had the car on this stand when towing on a flat bed truck. Worked a treat.

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Paul


Fiat 124 Spider (Big Red Car. So my son tells me)
Toyota Corolla AE86 (Fiat as a daily driver? Not)
Fiat 128 Rally (Why did I sell this car?)
Fiat 124 AC (An iron ore waffle shaped like a 124. Donated to Sims)
Fiat 128 SL (First fiat)
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That looks great Paul, :P
How hard was it to get the car off the stand. Is the stand a one piece stand?
Do you have a picture of the swag nuts/ mounting location?
About how high does the car sit from the ground? Was it hard to paint at that height?
Thanks for the info. I'm making one of these this week.
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kmead
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Your car is a: 1969 850 SC 1970 124 SC 85 X19
Location: Grand Rapids, MI

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That is a great cart. In making a new one you might try to find larger casters with at least a 500 lb rating. A metal wheel will take the load easily. Look at scaffolding casters (8" diameter) and make at least two of them locking casters.

This would be a nice set:

http://www.scaffoldexpress.com/Set-of-4 ... 0-4set.htm
Karl

1969 Fiat 850 Sports Coupe
1970 Fiat 124 Sports Coupe
1985 Bertone X1/9
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I have wheels already. Thanks though. I work with 500lb. cryogenic containers. I've had these wheels forever waiting to use them. Now I have a reason.
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ITA124
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Your car is a: 1976 Fiat 124 Spider
Location: Sydney, Australia

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Refer photo to get the car off the stand. I suggest you use better axle stands than scissor jacks and bricks. I nearly dropped the car at one point of lowering.

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As for the swage nuts. They are also known as Rivet Nuts. Refer link http://www.rivetnuts.com/

The car sat about 650mm above the ground. This was a good height to work underneath. Although welding up-side-down is tricky. My wheels where rated to 250kg each and are about 100mm diameter.

The car has been on the cart during its whole restoration. I installed the engine after it was back on its wheels. As for painting, the Painters has no problem. The doors and boot lid where fitted while the car was on the stand.
Paul


Fiat 124 Spider (Big Red Car. So my son tells me)
Toyota Corolla AE86 (Fiat as a daily driver? Not)
Fiat 128 Rally (Why did I sell this car?)
Fiat 124 AC (An iron ore waffle shaped like a 124. Donated to Sims)
Fiat 128 SL (First fiat)
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kmac33
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Your car is a: 1974 Spider
Location: Lilburn/Stone Mountain Georgia

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I used a rolling stand that is designed for a Sea Doo/Jet Ski. The height was perfect for working on the car, doing the body and paint work, etc. I took the car off the rolling stand to to re-install the suspension. I just used a large floor jack with wood blocks to get it off the rolling stand back to floor jack stands.

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Kevin McMullen

1974 Fiat Spider - Restoration Complete! But the mods/refinements continue
1980 Fiat Spider
2013 Subaru WRX
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Hey guys,
When I use a cart like this. Is the car heavier on one end? Or is it balanced if the cart is centered?
Just want to make sure I put the cart in the right position.
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Your car is a: 1976 Fiat 124 Spider
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azygoustoyou wrote:balanced if the cart is centered
I had the whole car built on the cart except for the engine and gear box with no balance issues. I did use a support for the rear axle, more to counter the droop and springs falling out than loading up the cart. I used the existing jack points. This centres the weight nicely and the car is bolted to the cart, not simply sitting on it. Balance issues will only exist if the the car is loaded outside the perimeter of the cart.

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Paul


Fiat 124 Spider (Big Red Car. So my son tells me)
Toyota Corolla AE86 (Fiat as a daily driver? Not)
Fiat 128 Rally (Why did I sell this car?)
Fiat 124 AC (An iron ore waffle shaped like a 124. Donated to Sims)
Fiat 128 SL (First fiat)
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Post by azygoustoyou »

Hey guys,
I need your professional help. I have the cart almost completed. I made it with adjustable legs and so you can take the center rails off for storage or maybe resale when I'm done. It is 16 1/2" tall at the lowest and about 22 1/2" tall raised. I still have to drill the holes for the pins. I need help though. I'm not sure what to do with the top. I have it where the center of the legs will sit underneath the side rails. I was thinking of adding this piece shown and welding around it. Then maybe take a piece of wood to sit toward the center where the jack supports are. I don't know. What do you think I should do at the top? I still don't get how you attached the car to the cart.
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I figured the cart out. I used the flat pieces I showed earlier. I welded a stock rod on top to hold the car centered. I'm making a bracket that would wrap around the outside rails. With a flat bracket connected to the tranny mounting bolts. I'll use wire down to the brackets and when I tighten the tranny nuts, it will hold the car onto the cart. I'll show pic's when it's done. :mrgreen:
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The car sits on the corners. I welded an edge on the top that would be positioned behind the car's frame. This way I can paint the outside and the car won't slide off the cart. I made a couple brackets that will go on the side rails. Easy on/off. I put spot welds on the side rails so the brackets won't slide. There is another bracket that would fit on the tranny mount studs. The two brackets will connect with wire and will hold the cart tight to the car. This cart is adjustable and sits high enough so you could get underneath it to work on the bottom. The lower position is perfect for painting the car. This cart breaks down for easy storage and shipping. :mrgreen:
If you are interested in a cart like this, contact my email below.
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