COMING SOON, ULTIMATE IGNTION SYSTEM

[BEEK]

heat! heat!, the major killer of electronics, why would you subject electronics to additional heat! coil pack mounted to the motor especially the exhaust side = bad!, just my opinion

[manoa matt]

"that thing looks hideous on top of the cam cover" Does it look any different than the "hideous" distributor that it replaces?

"With the coil pack on top of the cam cover like that you might still have hood clearance problems on early cars."

That coil pack is much shorter than any Fiat distributor, also you can fit a 79-85 electronic distributor on a 2L, in an early car with a flat hood and original crossmember, its been done many times.

"the wires would be pretty close to the metal hood and could possibly arc."

I think that 48 inches of plug wires routed next to the sheet metal around 1/2 of the engine bay would have more of a chance to arc, and impart electrical static through the other wiring its routed next too.

"why would you subject electronics to additional heat! coil pack mounted to the motor especially the exhaust "

The current positioning of the coil pack in the video is the same distance away from the header pipes as it would be on the exhaust cam, the wires too. It'll get cooked either way, but if you are worried about the reliabilty just put the coil under the dash and route the plug wires through the firewall. With resistor core wires you would get a hotter spark and more energy to the plugs with 12 inch plug wires opposed to 48 inches.

I don't see how it cleans up the engine bay, there is still a distributor, it just moves locations, and there is much more wiring. Just trying to offer some constructive criticism to improve the product.

[So Cal Mark]

thanks for the suggestions, but I'm quite happy with the product. On early cars with the coil on the left fender, the coil pack can be mounted in that position with a short harness. With the coil on the right side, the heat from the exhaust is directed towards the rear of the engine when driving.
One of the reasons for the long harness and plug wires is to give an owner or installer some leeway on where they mount the components. The easy, logical spot is where the original coil mounted. The power and tach wires are there as well as the mounting studs for the coil pack. It's not mandatory to mount there, but we made it simple for an installer that doesn't want to reinvent the wheel for every modification. A recent customer plans to mount the coil pack under the cowl, completely out of sight.
The performance is phenomenal even with the long wires.

[spiderrey]

I have a different system. My coil pack is on the right fenderwell. it looks fine. Been there for years with no heat issues. Ive thought about moving it under the dash though, as the only reason for the system was to not have to look at the dizzy sticking up, not a clearance issue at all. I was just trying to unclutter my engine bay. i didnt do the original install, otherwise it might be under the dash now. As far as the coil pack being where the stock dizzy was, that looks awful. Yes it does look different then the dizzy when it was in that spot. The dizzy looks 100 times better there then a coil pack. Jason has come up with some good ideas, and some good product, this wasnt one of them though. As far as heat, i would think it would be hotter in the cam mounted dizzys spot. Heat rises. Dosent the seal on the stock dizzy eventually fry from the heat.
You know, my cars in pieces right now, could be the perfect time to move it. Thanx guys.

[NCArachnid]

Mounting the coil pack on top doesn't help with clearance issues either. I like the look of clean cam boxes. IMHO.

[Hvnfn]

Mark,

How will your ignition system perform compared to an MSD 6AL box with tach adapter and blaster 2 coil along with high perf wires?

Besides the MSD setup being a bit more complicated, I am wondering about overall value of switching from my MSD setup to yours? $500 + shipping feels a bit steep, but I am sure designing it wasnt a cheap undertaking either and justifies the cost! Does yours have the REV limiter?

Thanks,

Christian

[BEEK]

granted im not mark, but a msd only gives multiple sparks under 3000 rpm i belive. i have run msd boxes for years on my race cars, mainly because you have to. dont realy see a need for a rev limiter on a fiat street car. as for hookup the msd easily adapts to a fiat distributor. the hall effect signal is all thats requires to work the box. i have not used marks system,
so i have no opinion but looks great on paper. im concidering a crank fire system for my next project.

[So Cal Mark]

with the MSD system you're still using the stock Fiat distributor. My unit will put out 60000 volts, I believe that is over twice what a Blaster coil will provide and you still have the yearly replacement of the dist internals. I believe my unit compares favorably to a true-crank fired system at about half the price. The price may seem steep, but look at what IAP charges for a new marelli replacement; $529 just for the distributor.
A rev limiter option will be available within a couple of weeks, but I don't have a price yet on that upgrade

[So Cal Mark]

We installed the new ignition system on a Spider with a 2.0 engine, Marelli electronic distributor and e-coil. Here are the before and after dyno runs. We picked up 3hp and 3 ft lbs of torque with the new system. Here are the before and after dyno sheets

[brunorahl]

That's like $180 per pony!

[So Cal Mark]

it does much more than just increase hp

[nettxtra]

Yes it does, it's well worth the money.
Easy to instal, easy to calibrate, it cleans up the engine and the car runs better than it ever has done

Plugg and play, i like it.

[brunorahl]

And what else does it do? The dyno charts are quite telling and all I see is the miniscule power gain. As for cleaning up the engine bay, it's more wires and parts that were there before!

[So Cal Mark]

I realize the concept may be too complex, but reliability of the ignition system is quite important. Consider that the ignition system doesn't create hp, but merely allows the engine to produce up to its' capability. Do a little research on ignition coils and distributors, and you'll quickly find that most produce less spark at high rpms due to a lack of saturation time. And of course there is the unreliabilty of the Marelli units.
How are there more wires than before? It still uses 4 spark plug wires, but no coil wire. There is a harness to the trigger unit, just as there is a harness to the distributor. By cleaning up the engine compartment, if you can't see the difference I suggest you visit Lenscrafters

[brunorahl]

I know you must defend you're product. But attacking my eyesight is not a defense. Also, I understand that you haven't run tens of thousands of hours on your system as people have with the factory system. Believing you're system is more reliable doesn't make it so. Time and use prove that. Let me know when you produce 10,000 of these and have 20,000 miles on each one. Then you can prove if it's more reliable.