My Affair with Celeste

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fiat218
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Your car is a: 1969 124 AS spider

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by fiat218 »

i bought mine just as u seen it
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
FiatBen

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by FiatBen »

fiat218 wrote:i bought mine just as u seen it
That's just disgusting!! I've haven't had one that sharp since I bought a new one back in '78.
fiat218
Posts: 5745
Joined: Fri May 16, 2008 5:06 pm
Your car is a: 1969 124 AS spider

Re: My Affair with Celeste

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FiatBen wrote:
fiat218 wrote:i bought mine just as u seen it
That's just disgusting!! I've haven't had one that sharp since I bought a new one back in '78.
i agree lol DISGUSTING :D
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
westy64

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by westy64 »

FiatBen wrote: it has a rollbar.
Do you want to remove it ?
Ready to ship it overseas ?
If it is the case, I'm interested.
Let me know if I can help...
fiat218
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Joined: Fri May 16, 2008 5:06 pm
Your car is a: 1969 124 AS spider

Re: My Affair with Celeste

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westy64 wrote:
FiatBen wrote: it has a rollbar.
Do you want to remove it ?
Ready to ship it overseas ?
If it is the case, I'm interested.
Let me know if I can help...
cost u more to ship that then what it worth , don't u think. hell if u wanna pay alot:) i have one
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
westy64

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by westy64 »

fiat218 wrote:
westy64 wrote:
FiatBen wrote: it has a rollbar.
Do you want to remove it ?
Ready to ship it overseas ?
If it is the case, I'm interested.
Let me know if I can help...
cost u more to ship that then what it worth , don't u think. hell if u wanna pay alot:) i have one
any info about it ?
origin ?
you got it in a car you bought ?
which year (model) ?
any idea of the maker (autopower, other ?)
can you make a few pics ?
I PM you my mail adress.
any price ?
FiatBen

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by FiatBen »

westy64 wrote:
any info about it ?
origin ?
you got it in a car you bought ?
which year (model) ?
any idea of the maker (autopower, other ?)
can you make a few pics ?
I PM you my mail adress.
any price ?
It was in the car when I bought it 8 years ago. The '69s did not have a roll-bar option so it was installed later, but I have no info regarding that. I would agree with Jim that it would be cheaper to have someone make one rather than ship such a heavy bulky item. I like the idea of having the rollbar, so I'll keep it in the car. It has been wrapped in closed cell insulation so I have no idea if it was manufactured or hand-crafted until I unwrap it. At that time I will be sure to take lots of pics and post them so others can see how this one was done.
fiat218
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Your car is a: 1969 124 AS spider

Re: My Affair with Celeste

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FiatBen wrote:
westy64 wrote:
any info about it ?
origin ?
you got it in a car you bought ?
which year (model) ?
any idea of the maker (autopower, other ?)
can you make a few pics ?
I PM you my mail adress.
any price ?
It was in the car when I bought it 8 years ago. The '69s did not have a roll-bar option so it was installed later, but I have no info regarding that. I would agree with Jim that it would be cheaper to have someone make one rather than ship such a heavy bulky item. I like the idea of having the rollbar, so I'll keep it in the car. It has been wrapped in closed cell insulation so I have no idea if it was manufactured or hand-crafted until I unwrap it. At that time I will be sure to take lots of pics and post them so others can see how this one was done.
I'd like to know where it bolted too or welded
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
FiatBen

Rollbar

Post by FiatBen »

Had a few minutes so I went out to investigate.
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Wrestled the bottom of the back seat out. Practically had to bend it in half to clear the rollbar. Discovered that this rollbar is not going anywhere. It is welded in at all four mounting points. Well, that should really make the unibody ridgid and maybe improve the handling a little bit?
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It is upholstered, not wrapped in insulation like I thought. It makes thick padding and had to be worked at the points where the top linkage comes by in order to fit without ripping the carpeting, which was then wrapped in duct tape, ugly but functional. This will be reworked somehow.
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So, I'm guessing the rollbar may have been custom-made. It definitely is not a bolt-in type. It did retain the rear seat, which I think is a bonus. And it's going to stay right where it is. One more reason to think renovation rather than restoration.
Been working on getting organized and moving all the cars into one location, racking 'em up, pulling the tires and getting some weather protection. Here's the fleet today, not counting Celeste (subject of this thread) who is in the garage.
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FiatBen

Parts are IN

Post by FiatBen »

Got my box today, now I have the parts to rebuild the ignition, replace the timing belt & tensioner and replace the old water pump. Then we get to see if it will start!!! Aint they shiney????!!!!
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FiatBen

Fan, Tensioner & Dizzy questions

Post by FiatBen »

I'm really wanting to make some progress but I need some info.

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Cooling Fan - Water Pump:
I'm replacing the water pump, which necessitates removing the fan. It is held by one BIG nut. Anyone know what size this thing is?

Tensioner Bearing:
I am replacing the bearing, even though the old one is still tight (better safe than sorry, right?). I see how this all fits together, but how do I take it apart and put it back together? That spring looks pretty stiff. Also, do I have to pull the bearing and press the new one on?

Dizzy (the car, not me):
I am replacing the cap, rotor, points, condensor, coil, wires, plugs. I don't see an obvious way to pull the centrifugal advance with the dizzy in place so I'm thinking I'll pull it out and check out everything and rebuild it on the bench before putting it back in. I am a bit concerned about not getting it in right, but I've done this once before (many, many years ago). Or, is there a way to pull the advance in situ and replace the points?

These are the things that have me on hold this morning. I really wanted to see if this thing would run by this evening. Maybe not. Oh well, meantime I can continue dismantling the '82 before the unibody goes to the crusher (far too rusted to save).
dmwhiteoak
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Your car is a: 1972 Fiat 124 spider
Location: White Oak Tx

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by dmwhiteoak »

Back off on the nut closest to the tensioner bearing. You should be able to to move the assembly.Pry it and tighten it back down to hold it over so new belt can be installed. I changed mine a couple weeks ago and did not have any problem with removing or installing bearing. Was not pressed on. Maybe stuck a little but not pressed. After installing new belt, use loosen off nut and make sure belt pulls tight. Tighten nut. Nothin to it.
Dennis Modisette

1972 124 Spider
2003 Chevrolet Z71
2007 GMC Yucon
FiatBen

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by FiatBen »

dmwhiteoak wrote:Back off on the nut closest to the tensioner bearing. You should be able to to move the assembly.Pry it and tighten it back down to hold it over so new belt can be installed. I changed mine a couple weeks ago and did not have any problem with removing or installing bearing. Was not pressed on. Maybe stuck a little but not pressed. After installing new belt, use loosen off nut and make sure belt pulls tight. Tighten nut. Nothin to it.
Actually, my question is how to replace the tensioner bearing while changing out timing belts. I was able to loosen, move and tighten the assembly to get the old belt off. My concern is how to change out the bearings, hopefully in an easy way.

Thanks
dmwhiteoak
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Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:12 pm
Your car is a: 1972 Fiat 124 spider
Location: White Oak Tx

Re: My Affair with Celeste

Post by dmwhiteoak »

I had no trouble removing mine. May need a little persuading. If you had a gear puller you might could make it work. Carefull not to damage the stud.
Dennis Modisette

1972 124 Spider
2003 Chevrolet Z71
2007 GMC Yucon
FiatBen

Horny & Dizzy Celeste

Post by FiatBen »

Been cleaning and tinkering. Here's the latest two things of interest:

Horn - the horn mount appears to have been three layers of angled mount, or one that has delaminated and it is twisting apart.
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Pulled the distributor to look it over and noticed this thin plastic cover (or whatever) has turned brittle (in only 42 years) and broken up. As best I can figure all those little pieces had to drop through the gear ring below and into the oil pan.
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So what do I do about either of these little problems? Obviously the dizzy problem is much more important that remounting the horn. I don't even know if you can get this little plastic piece. Time to go check the vendors.
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