Pranks we did when younger... and still do?

[mbouse]

umm... alright!

i won't admit to any pranks, falderall or foolishness. i will admit that i had a well worn path from my fifth grade classroom to the principal's office. and, i was not running errands for Miss Heiger, the teacher. My mission was a bit more personal in nature.

does that qualify?

[Foster48x]

Would one of you like to borrow my pen?

[katsi]

what... you think the engineer will continue working at the factory once it's closed? I have plenty of stories to tell you!

Oh yeah, the accountants all keep their positions right?

Ultimately it leads to the wussies and democrats and whose in office this year

Couldn't agree more.

I have NEVER been a fan of Kennedy and but for a few, the Dot.com industry was a HUGE bust.

Look, I don't wan't a political debate either. But, to say it was the accountants and controllers fault that US jobs were sent overseas is nothing more than a blatent disreguard for any contributory factors going into a global economy. How can companies support making goods for less? Their are only so many varriable costs. The main ones being Labor,Insurance and taxes. Raw materials remain virtually constant. To say it was just a decision by the accounting industry to move production overseas because it was cost effective is to disreguard the reasons driving the cost that made it more profitable.

Your argument is nothing more than shooting the messinger!

Oh, and Foster - That's actually pretty funny!

[radiopilot]

I have NEVER been a fan of Kennedy and but for a few, the Dot.com industry was a HUGE bust.
Your argument is nothing more than shooting the messinger!

You wouldn't be typing these pages on this forum had it not been for the Dot.com industry... I think it's been a huge success... unlike companies like Enron... whose employees went bust all the way with nothing to show for it...

I'm not lumping all accountants responsible... some are hard working, tax paying people I know very well and they have decent jobs in payroll, comptrollers, etc., the accountants/finance people I'm talking about are the ones sitting with the CEO's determining behind closed doors whether a product is made overseas, whether to shut down factory 'A', whether to lay off "x' number of people to bring '$$$' up to profitability...

I know the payroll accountants have nothing to do with those decisions... and I know you're intelligent enough to understand that... just as I know it's not the engineer's design or decision to outsource jobs, or whether 'x' based politics are the reason jobs are shipped overseas... the policies made in Congress allow the companies to do business in 'x' countries... but ultimately it's the company CEO's that make the decision to build the factories/manufacturing there... so lay the blame where it should.

I was a prankster wanting to start a fun thread and nothing more... but this thread has lost any appeal for it to be fun anymore...

Nick

[katsi]

You wouldn't be typing these pages on this forum had it not been for the Dot.com industry... I think it's been a huge success... unlike companies like Enron... whose employees went bust all the way with nothing to show for it...

I believe that you are confusing the Dot.Com industry with the computer, software and sylicone chip industry. As for this thread not being fun anymore, I think you're wrong. I've enjoyed hearing your point of view and I believe that instead of agreeing to disagree, we are comming to a mutual agreement. Most of the time, two sides are saying virtually the same thing but they just express it differently. Through the process of the socratic method, we can make point and counter points untill we can come to a mutual agreement. It's such a cop out to agree to disagree. Don't you agree?

As for Enron - don't get me started. But, they did not have any employees overseas - Right? On the plus side, the building they left behind is beautifull as I used to work in it. Very nice.

I think if you just give me an honest look into your point of view, it's not the accountants, comptorllers and controllers that forced the industries to move overseas but morover the shareholders. And, the decisions of the shareholders ultimatly lie in the hands of the consummers (look to Harley Davidson for and example of consummer driven production - no biker would purchase a Harley made in Korea or anywhere else other than the USA - Immagine more consummers taking that point of view). And, if you just look a bit under the direction of the consumer you find the government meddeling in their affairs. Via - taxation and other vehicles that place a burden on making ends meet. One of those burdens is having a job. Which leads to making it attractive to do bussiness here in the US which leads to issues like demanding a company provide health care to all its employees - Tax dollars for bail outs - $ going overseas for non US related reasons. The list goes on and on. which brings me back to my original point of "its ultimatly the liberal left, pansy assed views combined with short term windfalls and poor government reprensentation that drives jobs overseas. Combine that with a largly un-educated voting base and a presidency that is up for sale to any forign person not willing to show a birth certificate and mix generoulsy with the demands of the US consumer, who ignores global issues, and then you will come up with the reason US jobs have been oursourced overseas.

[radiopilot]

As for Enron - don't get me started. But, they did not have any employees overseas - Right? On the plus side, the building they left behind is beautifull as I used to work in it. Very nice.

The whole Enron charade is now used in college finance studies in business ethics and practices... just one of many...

http://www.csun.edu/~hfact004/Enron_off_1.doc

"The ramifications of Enron’s collapse extend beyond U.S. borders. The company owns power generating and trading companies in many parts of the world, ranging from Poland to India. Financial reporting practices not only in the U.S., but internationally have come under intense scrutiny: The role of the Financial Accounting Standards Board and the accounting standard setting process are being questioned. According to Sir David Tweedie, Chairman of the International Accounting Standards Board (IASB):"

Also Wikipedia has several eyebrowsing examples of the number of companies Enron had outside the US all in financial mess.. Just a short list, and who paid these employees if not Enron?:

Power plants
Enron owned or operated 38 electric power plants worldwide:

Teesside (United Kingdom)—at the time of commission in 1992, at 1750 MW, was the largest Natural Gas Co-Gen plant in the world. Its on-time and under-budget completion put Enron Power on the map as an international developer, owner and operator.
Bahia Las Minas (Panama)—largest thermal power plant in Central America, 355 MW
Puerto Quetzal Power Project (Guatemala)—110 MW
PQP LLC (Guatemala)—holding company for 124 MW Power Barge named "Esperanza"
Empresa Energetica Corinto (Nicaragua)—holding company for "Margarita II" 70.5 MW power barge, Enron held 35% share
EcoElectrica (Puerto Rico, USA)—507 MW natural gas cogeneration plant, with adjacent LNG import terminal- supplied 20% of island's electricity
Puerto Plata Power Project (Dominican Republic)—185 MW power barge named "Puerto Plata"
Modesto Maranzana Power Plant (Argentina)—70 MW
Cuiaba Integrated Project (Brazil)—480 MW combined cycle power plant
Nowa Sarzyna Power Plant (Poland)—116 MW, first privately developed post-Communist electricity project in Poland
Sarlux Power Project (Italy)—551 MW combined cycle power plant, converted residue from Italy's largest oil refinery into synthetic gas for fuel
Trakya Power Project (Turkey)—478 MW
Chengdu Cogen Project (China)—284 MW, joint venture with Sichuan Electric Company
Northern Marianas Power Project (Guam, USA)—80 MW slow speed diesel oil plant
Batangas Power Project (Philippines)—110 MW
Subic Bay Power Project (Philippines)—116 MW
Dabhol Power Project (India)—2,184 MW combined cycle plant, generally considered one of Enron's most controversial and least successful projects

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron

[qoute]
I think if you just give me an honest look into your point of view, it's not the accountants, comptorllers and controllers that forced the industries to move overseas but morover the shareholders. And, the decisions of the shareholders [/quote]

Shareholders could care less... the CEO's board vote a decision to move projects abroad, the yearly shareholders meetings only question the $$$$ they get in dividends...they could care less where the products are made.

The list goes on and on. which brings me back to my original point of "its ultimatly the liberal left, pansy assed views combined with short term windfalls and poor government reprensentation that drives jobs overseas. Combine that with a largly un-educated voting base and a presidency that is up for sale to any forign person not willing to show a birth certificate and mix generoulsy with the demands of the US consumer, who ignores global issues, and then you will come up with the reason US jobs have been oursourced overseas.

Let's just agree to disagree here without insulting each other... to think uneducated people across the US voted President Obama in is just... well... let me not say it, the rest of what you have above is really just superfluous!

Just so everyone here is on the same page regarding who voted whom in office based on 'education level'... here's an eye opener:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106381/obama ... ction.aspx

Nick

[mbouse]

yeah, if we're gonna talk politiks... and voting percentages.... let's not forget that the MAJORITY of eligible voters

REFUSED

to exercise their right to vote. leaving the decision making to the minority of us.

in my pea-pickin' brain, anyone in the MAJORITY here has no right to complain about anything decided or acted upon by any political group or individual elected official.

sorry to hijack the thread... now let's get back to pranks and foolishness. NO, i do not want to borrow that pen. Shake my hand (wink-wink).

[mdrburchette]

What wrong with that pen? Looks fine to me.

[Foster48x]

Just your normal everyday writing instrument. Try it

[wachuko]

Just your normal everyday writing instrument. Try it

What? A shocking experience?

[pooldoctorstl]

Buy the pens here...

http://www.prankplace.com/product.aspx? ... 8577&c=132

How bad do they shock? I've heard of them but have never seen one. We could get them with the Fiat logo on them but they would probably have electrical problems and wouldn't work right.

[mbouse]

actually, they do not shock. they vibrate unexpectedly and in a manner that "shocks" the unsuspecting.

[Foster48x]

actually, they do not shock. they vibrate unexpectedly and in a manner that "shocks" the unsuspecting.

Really... Mike would you like to try my normal everyday writing instrument? Mine doesn't vibrate



There's a whole bunch on good stuff here.
http://www.shockingfun.com/Shocking_Pen_p/shoc1.htm

[mbouse]

har har har... different than the ones i've seen

"May interfere with electrical devices such as pacemakers "

[Foster48x]

har har har... different than the ones i've seen

"May interfere with electrical devices such as pacemakers "

lol.

The discaimers are prett funny.

"The Shocking Pen is guaranteed to make cry-babies cry, whimps whimper and provide tons of diabolical laughs!"
"it probably shouldn't be played with in the bath tub."