1978 Dash Speedometer Cable and Steering Column

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ole78
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Your car is a: 1978 Fiat 124 Spider
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1978 Dash Speedometer Cable and Steering Column

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1978 124 Spider
I took a couple hours to post and lost it all.
Learned my "save" lesson.
So will make this briefer and curtail the requisite Fiat humor.

This forum is amazing as I was able to diagnose, treat and cure my F I A T.
That's right, this post is made possible by my very first Fix It Again Tomorrow episode. Although my wife likes to refer to it as Floor It Again Teresa...

The other driver (see above) went to set my trip meter and pushed it through the dash. May change her name to Helga. Sorry if that is you, or your significant other driver's name.
So, I researched and removed the 4 knurled knobs to remove the dash panel. Wouldn't come out, back to the forum.
Forum tells me there are 2 or maybe 4 bolts holding up the steering column that must be lowered in order to remove dash panel. I found there are 2 bolts and 2 round "bolts".
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I removed the 2 bolts to lower the wheel and access the dash. Lowered it just enough without worrying about the bolts with the rectangle metal pieces. Pulled out the dash and put the trip knob back through. Should be a bezel to hold it in place - which I do not have. Maybe Ace has a 1/2" flat nut I can use until I "inherit" the bezel. Had to get out of the car and leaned on the wheel pushing it down and making the dash come out more.

Put dash back in place (good idea to turn the key and see if lights on dash come on - simple test to make sure things are still attached).
Lifted wheel back into place, the rectangle pieces had bent allowing the wheel to drop. Got the 2 bolts to catch to hold in place, fit the column back over those metal pieces and then hammer/flat chisel to flatten them back out to hold the column in place. Tighten the bolts. (It was difficult to do this with those rectangle pieces, can some expert tell us how to loosen those and rotate the metal plates?)
Stand back amazed and drive it.
BUT speedometer doesn't work.
This is my very first Fix It Again Tomorrow experience. I feel baptized and anointed into the church of the wholly Fiat.
Back to the forum.

Remove dash and column (see above) no cursing allowed.
And find cable not attached to speedometer.
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Cable
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Speedometer back
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Can't....quite....reach....RATS!
Back to forum. (anyone know how to get greasy finger prints off white Mac?)

Forum said; cable rear tranny (transmission) firewall drivers side short long bend spin
I'M NOT A MECHANIC.
Short of it, loosen cable at transmission adapter to give slack and then attach to speedometer and then reattach to tranny adapter.
But I will include a couple prints for those like me.

Transmission and speedometer cable adapter
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another of adapter
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With all of the above in mind, Mike said to raise up drivers side and get under there.
I put the front tires up on ramps and here is what I could see.

View of adapter on tranny from front: (cable is unattached)
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View of Cable unattached from the adapter
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Unscrewed the cable and gave it a little slack.
Back up top, pulled cable a little so I could reach speedo.
Slid back white plastic sleeve to expose grips/teeth and connected to speedo, slid sleeve back on.
Carefully put dash back in place.
Back under to reattach cable to adapter on tranny.

Back inside to drive it around driveway... ITS WORKING, ITS WORKING.

Reinstall dash.
Reinstall steering wheel column.

AND DRIVE LIKE THE WIND.
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With a heartfelt 1978 send off:
Peace, Love and Bobby Sherman.
-ole

PS
Future posts: fixed gas filler line ($25)/ fixed broken trunk lock $0/ fixed rear blinker $0 - left rear good/ with brakes it was slow/ with lights it don't work - found ground in trunk and it works. I stand amazed.
If any NEED those posts earlier with pics, let me know. I'm on break and this took too long as it is.
One Swedish car and three Italian:
1998 Saab 900 Turbo ragtop
1978 Fiat 124 Spider
2005 Fiat Grand Caravan...
2001 Fiat Cherokee ;)
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Your car is a: 1978 Fiat 124 Spider
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Re: 1978 Dash Speedometer Cable and Steering Column

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looks like I still can't quite get the right sized pics, sorry some got clipped.
One Swedish car and three Italian:
1998 Saab 900 Turbo ragtop
1978 Fiat 124 Spider
2005 Fiat Grand Caravan...
2001 Fiat Cherokee ;)
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2nd try
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and
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One Swedish car and three Italian:
1998 Saab 900 Turbo ragtop
1978 Fiat 124 Spider
2005 Fiat Grand Caravan...
2001 Fiat Cherokee ;)
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love it.... simply love it. Bobby Sherman? cheeze, that is an old name.

in the end, you asked a lotta questions, but seem to have gotten them all answered yourself, except maybe one. the bezel for the trip reset button will be metric threads, guessing 10mm x 1.25... so don't accept just any old thang from Ace Hardware. if you can, hold out for a correct one from a forum member's parts car. Then, tell Helga that the trip reset button should only be TURNED when the vehicle is stationary. never pushed, and never when the odometer is in motion.

i feel your pain on the speedo cable installation. if they'd just make those things an inch or two longer, all the agony would disappear. i'd recommend for future dissassembly of the gauge board and steering column lowering to replace those two round headed bolts with hex head bolts. do this when your frustration level is at zero, rather than waiting until some future time when there is an issue and the stress level has risen. and, realize that those rectangular tabs will bend, thus weakening any holding power they have over the rear of that steering column bracket; adding a flat washer will fix that future issue.

i have a handful of metal picks similar to those instruments of pain your dentist has on his work tray. i use three or four metal picks to line up the dash panel and the mounting nuts before i insert the chrome knurled bolts.

cursing in Italian is allowed. cursing in English only will serve to further infuriate your Spider.

as far as the grease on the Mac keys... well, you are just on your own there.
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the bezel for the trip reset button will be metric threads, guessing 10mm x 1.25...

Gotit. As usual Mikey you are a wealth of information and humor.
Hey, looks like I might get another Italian car in the garage. It's a 4x4.
A Cherokee...

What's the best way to track down a "forum member's parts car"?
thanks again

-mac cleaned up okay. It appears to like Italian grease.
mmm, in the mood for Olive Garden breadsticks now.
One Swedish car and three Italian:
1998 Saab 900 Turbo ragtop
1978 Fiat 124 Spider
2005 Fiat Grand Caravan...
2001 Fiat Cherokee ;)
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go to parts for sale and look at all of the threads where guys are parting out cars. send them an email or private message.

then, also pay attention to the regular posting gang and learn our individual contributions to the chat room. you'll discover things like:
Ron is addicted to the '82 model
Denise loves the early models
Matt lives the furthest west of where you are, and loves to ship parts across the pacific ocean like it is a puddle
Craig is a glutton for punishment, just buying his second Spider
Dave loves orange
Mark loves political discussions
Alvon is the quiet voice of calm, but changes T-belts with a sledge hammer.

and, most of us seasoned Fiat owners each has a stash of spare parts.

go to the parts wanted section and post a request for your requirement. or, send someone a p.m.

sorry, i don't have what you seek.
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Joining this a few years later.....just accidentally disconnected the back of my speedo from the cable while I was attempting to replace some instrument cluster lights. Do I have to unbolt all 4 nuts to drop the steering wheel enough to get the cluster out? Can I reattach the speedo cable without detaching it form the tranny to get some slack?
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I take the steering wheel off the column. That's always given me enough clearance to get the dash out.

I've never dropped the column, mostly because I can't figure out how to get those round head screws out (and because removing the steering wheel is easier - one nut to remove).
A.J.

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Alot depends on how small your hands are. I never drop the column or disconnect the tranny end. I do remove the plastic column cover and the steering wheel if i need really good access.
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aj81spider wrote:I take the steering wheel off the column. That's always given me enough clearance to get the dash out.

I've never dropped the column, mostly because I can't figure out how to get those round head screws out (and because removing the steering wheel is easier - one nut to remove).

Thanks, quick question, does the end of the speedo cable just click into place behind the speedo. I think I found the cable in the firewall engine bay and there is lots of slack to push it through. Just wondering if I just push it if it still lined up with the speedo connector if it will just click back in place. Is there an orientation to the connector.

Best!
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It depends on the year. Some clip on and some screw on.
A.J.

1974 Fiat 124 Spider
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1981 Spider 2000 (sold 2013 - never should have sold that car)
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aj81spider wrote:It depends on the year. Some clip on and some screw on.

Hey, it's and 81 spider.
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A.J.

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