Interior questions Pics added 8/1/09

[amsiegel]

Decided to change my plan of attack and removed my interior tonight (seats, carpet, kick panels center console). I have a few questions

1. Is it normal for the carpets to be screwed down? There was about 6 screws holding down the corners of the carpet pieces behing the hand break. I have never removed a multi piece carpet system before.

2. What is the stuff that is like dynamat but cheaper?


3. Have you ever seen some go through the time to label all the wire connections but not connect them back up? Everything below the dimmer switch and wiper speed control was not connected except for the hazard switch. Oh there are so many wires. I am gonna have so much fun figuring out what actually works and what does not. WHOOO more wire diagrams for me. Dont be jealouse. Ok that was more of a rant than a question.

There is some surface rust but it is really not as bad as I thought it would be. Just going to do some sanding and spray everything with truck bed liner

Thanks

[RJ80]

1) I just removed my carpet and it appears the only screws holding the carpet down were along the door sills. None on the transmission tunnel, footwells, or behind the seats. Maybe a PO added them to keep it from moving around? Or the carpet was replaced at some point with screws added.

2) I have bought some "Automat" on eBay. About $20 for a piece about 6' by 8' or so-- more than enough do do both footwells and the transmission tunnel. Reflective material on one side, dense white fibrous padding on the other. Can't remember the seller... maybe do a search.

3) Yep, tons of wires behind that upper center console. I'm ditching my radio, don't smoke (no need for cigarette lighter) and don't have power windows, so I'm going to try to ditch the upper console as well. I just need something to hold all those wires up behind the dash and out of sight.... don't want them dangling down into the passenger compartment. Tempted to rip out all the old stereo wires and the others I won't use, but I hate wiring and don't want to screw up a vital connection that I'll still need.

[amsiegel]

Well I had more rust than I first thought. Luckily not as bad as it could be. Spent tonight sanding, grinding, vaccuming repeat. The front drivers side and rear passanger side. Figured I start with the bad areas first.

I removed the original rubber sound barrier stuff where there was surface rust below it. The parts that had no surface rust below the rubber mat does not come up easy so I ma thinking of letting it stay there. I sprayed the floor down with a Krylon Rust Primer with zinc than a coat of Rustolem Grill paint. I have used the rustolem grill stuff on other projects before and the stuff works well.

Once I finish the rest of the rust areas the same way I am going to hit the entire floor with another coat of primer than some truck be liner. Then some new sound barrier matting and either scrub the old carpets down or replace them.

Any suggestion or hints??

[htchevyii]

I wire wheeled the floor, welded in a few patches, used POR 15 Metal Ready and 3 coats of MasterSeries http://www.masterseriesct.com/. Then I coated it with some leftover rubber coating from a Toyota Echo floor rust recall and finally some sound destroyer (generic Dynamatt), from Ebay. Maybe overkill, but I'm planning to keep the car for a long time and don't think I'll ever have to deal with it again. I didn't use any jute sound deadener, because if it gets wet it never dries.

[amsiegel]

Nice work.
Does not sound like overkill. A few extra steps gives you that piece of mind of knowing it should last. Your plan of attack sounds very good. I could not find POR 15 or the Masterseries locally. If I did find some I would have used it. I still might do it. I used the Krylon and Rustolem that I had on hand just to protect the exsposed metal. Once I figure out how the rest the floor is I will decided on how to proceded. I am trying to see if i can get the car up on a lift and do a really good inspection of the bottom side.

I removed all the Jute and will not be putting it back in. Most of it was in good shape but smelled a bit.

[kmac33]

I took a similar approach on my floor pans as htchevyii, but after stripping, cleaning and repair panel welding, instead of POR 15, I coated mine with Coraless Rust encapsulator from Eastwood. I then put down a thin layer of fiberglass in the rear sections were my damage was (I dare that to rust if it gets wet . I then coated the entire floor pan with truck bedliner.
I used "HushMat" instead of Dynamat. Just as good but much cheaper. Then put in a replacement carpet set - glued it in with 3M adhesive, but also had to use a few srews up in the footwell/firewall area. My replacement carpet set was also jute padding free. You can see some picture in my photo album below.

[amsiegel]

Ok I was mistaken when I said I only had a bit of surface rust. At first I expected to just find somehting like this



just sand scrap and repaint

Then I removed the Jute and started poking around in the at the rubber / tar like stuff. What is Jute made of Probably asbestos, anthrax and other lovely stuff. I am afraid to move it




I removed some of the rubber/tar like stuff the was ontop of the floor and the drivers side that was flaky and found surface rust and 2 holes. I wire wheeled, sanded and painted and it ended up looking like this.



In the bottom right of that photo is still some of the rubber / tar like stuff that did not come up. WIth bright light of the flash you can tell my painting sucks. That what I get for painting at night.

For some reason the other night I did not look to well at the passenger side and thought it was not that bad. Tonight I looked at it under the spot light and was surprised. I started scraping the rubber stuff and hit it with the wire wheel and this is what I got.





I ran the wire wheel over it some more and primed it just for the hell of it. Do you think it might grow back, maybe if I ask nicely



Looks like I need to find a welder. Has anyone bought the floor pans off of e-bay??

[1980Fiat]

2. It may be too late but the alternative to DynoMat I have heard a lot about is called "Lizard Skin". I am contemplating putting it in my current restoration project all along the interior floor area and in the trunk to dampen road nose and reduce heat. Here is a link: http://www.lizardskin.com/lizard_skin/r ... lation.php