Shock Tower brace

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mdrburchette wrote:The top of the shock tower is so low into the engine compartment, I don't see how you can really make a brace for it. Making a brace from the firewall to the shock tower, then from the tower to the radiator support is on option. Here's another idea that may help on this racecar:

I am not quite so sure I agree. I think one could make an interesting construction that could provide the reinforcement one wants and fit within the constraints of the engine and the existing compartment. I agree that triangulation to the firewall would also be very beneficial.

So it always helps to think about what we are trying to solve and then what do we have that can be used.

So we are trying to link the upper spring perches/shock mounts to each other across the engine bay. Unfortunately there is an engine in the way. However there is already a cross structure across the bottom of the engine compartment which although not a perfect object is a substantial element. We also know that we will add a brace across the top of the engine compartment. Conceivably we now have three points we can link together, the top brace, the cross member and the upper shock mount the element whose position we want to control the relative position of.

Now think about a beam, constrained at the bottom to the cross member and at the top to the cross brace. The load on the beam will be the upper shock mount at about mid point between the two fixed points

So, what I am thinking of is an object much like an A arm/wishbone. The bottom (wide part) of the wishbone attaches to the lower crossmember, curves up towards the hood opening where the two legs intersect and attach to the cross bar. Near the mid point of the wishbone is a bracket welded to the two legs that reaches into opening for the upper shock mount. The shock's threaded rod goes through a hole in the bracket and then bolted down.

The attached images show one way it might be done. In the illustrations the lower mount is a C bracket (10 ga) attached across the bottom of the cross member and then run a bolt into the bottom of the "wishbone" (a welded cap at the bottom with a tapped hole) through the C, drawing the "wishbone" down. Additionally a cross brace could be added where the cross member is bolted to the body just just below the shock mount opening.

Clearly what I have shown is very simplified and there would likely be a need to open up the hole into the shock mount to get a substantial bracket into that space. One might also want to attach the top of the wishbone to a bracket attached to the inner fender on each side. Triangulating to the firewall would likely need a bracket to be added to the light gauge beam running above and behind the engine with a cross bar going to the top of each of the wishbones.

In any case its an idea which might lead to a real solution (no doubt different from what I have described).

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edited because there is always a better idea...
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mdrburchette

Where are those distributor wires going?
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manoa matt wrote:mdrburchette

Where are those distributor wires going?
Looks like a Distributorless Ignition System mounted under the cowl panel
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Yep, it's a distributorless ignition. Cool, huh?

On your illustration, would the cross bar be going over the engine? There doesn't seem to be enough room between the engine and the hood to do this. Nice pics, btw!
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mdrburchette wrote: On your illustration, would the cross bar be going over the engine? There doesn't seem to be enough room between the engine and the hood to do this. Nice pics, btw!
There is enough room to go over (given that all the air cleaners go over the top of the cam towers), it might need to be arched to do so of course. On a FI car it would likely be a difficult thing to package. On a carb car one would likely need to use an aftermarket air cleaner. I could also see making the wishbone top mount being moved either forward or back by making either the front or back leg straight and arching the opposing leg to meet it

I will think some more about it, go poke around under my coupe's hood and see what could be done.
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I think that's the best idea so far, though construction might be alittle tricky, since all of the dimension and angles have to be just right (it's a bit more than a simple brace or even a triangle around the engine), but it seems like the rigidity issue is addressed. I will have to go out and measure the clearance above the engine. And yeah - nice pictures.
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engineerted wrote:More Photos!! More Photos !! Does that round tube attached to the shock mount run back thru the firewall and connect into the roll bar? If not, it should. This is what i would like to do to my race car. My driver side upper shock mount has been welded by the PO, but building what you have would allow easy service. DAM that car looks good!!

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Ted, it should look good since it'snot mine. Sure wish it were! It looks like they made the front suspension coilover so it wouldn't be exactly like our stock Fiats, but it's just an idea of how to strengthen the upper frame rails.
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Miss Burchette, PM Sent

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