Clutch Parts

[18Fiatsandcounting]

Am I correct in assuming that the pilot bearing is not part of a run-of-the-mill clutch kit?

I've always seen this bearing sold separately, so I think you are correct.

-Bryan

[davidbruce]

Most clutch kits I've seen do not include the pilot bearing.

[SteinOnkel]

If you think getting the last bolt for the starter out, wait till you get to the last bolt of the transmission.

No less than 6 wobbly extensions. Sweet Jeebus...

back to the garage I go.

Cheers
Steiny

[SteinOnkel]

Is it possible to take the oil pan out without removing the cross member?

[geospider]

I believe so.
search: replace oil pump. I think (all from shoddy memory) you loosen the motor mounts (seem we do this a lot), jack up a bit at the trans and it can come out. I want to say Brad Artique has something posted for this.
Geo

[18Fiatsandcounting]

Is it possible to take the oil pan out without removing the cross member?

Yes, although I can't speak for all engines. I replaced the oil pump in my 1438cc engine without removing the engine, although it's not for the faint of heart. Remove the top nuts on the engine mounts. Raise the engine up a couple inches with a jack. Loosen the oil pan bolts. Drop the oil pan a couple inches. Through the very small slit between the oil pan and the bottom of the block, remove the two 13mm bolts that hold the oil pump in place. Once the oil pump is loose, you can maneuver the oil pan around enough to remove it. This is the easy part. Putting it back together is harder. On a scale of 0 to 10 where 1 is rebuilding the transmission and 7 requires telekinesis and finger joints that humans do not have, this is about a 4. A 10 requires quantum tunneling or Higgs bosons or something like that.

-Bryan

[RRoller123]

Wouldn't you also have to loosen the transmission yoke and the side support bar? Or is there enough play to raise the engine a few inches without doing this?

[18Fiatsandcounting]

Wouldn't you also have to loosen the transmission yoke and the side support bar? Or is there enough play to raise the engine a few inches without doing this?

I don't think so. I do now seem to recall that one sticking point was the header/exhaust pipe, so that might have to be loosened as well. I can't promise you can raise the engine by several inches, but one or two inches should be do-able. I think the amount is limited by when the rear of the cam boxes hit the body, or the bellhousing hits the transmission tunnel. In my case, it was a 1438cc engine so maybe I had more room.

-Bryan

[RRoller123]

That side support bar will lift the exhaust pipes along with the transmission, (or bend it...) But you are right, the bell housing is very close to the tunnel top, and that probably limits the whole thing from moving up very far.

[18Fiatsandcounting]

Yes, and don't underestimate the ability of that structural crossmember across the rear of the engine bay (where the hood latch is attached) to foil your otherwise most excellent plan. At least on my cars, raising the engine always seems to result in some part of the engine hitting that side-to-side reinforcing bar. My memory is dim on details.

-Bryan

[SteinOnkel]

Okay, I left the pan on and scraped off the gasket. Using gasket remover to get the tiny bits out and then a nice new gasket.

Question:

The pilot bearing, is there a spec for how deep it gets wedged into the crankshaft? I've got the fly wheel off. It seems one could easily put the new bearing in too far. Am I correct in assuming that it's supposed to be flush with the outside of the flywheel?

Thanks guys.

Taking the transmission apart tonight to do a damage assessment.

Cheers
Steiny

[RRoller123]

I believe if you look closely at the crank, it bottoms out on a ridge.

[18Fiatsandcounting]

That's my recollection as well. Also, and I'm going by memory here, but my pilot bearings seemed to slide fairly easily into the well in the end of the crankshaft, and I didn't have to force them in.

-Bryan

[SteinOnkel]

Weird, with the flywheel removed, the bearing sticks out 3/4 of its width from the crankshaft.

[Spider951]

If memory serves (always a risky proposition for me), this is a photo from when I replaced the clutch, crank oil seal, and pilot bearing. My "note to self" says "pilot bearing sticks out approx. 4 mm".