Tragedy has struck. ETA head gasket
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Re: Tragedy has struck. ETA head gasket
The grommets are extra crush seals (like the fire rings around the cylinders) on the oil passages to the cam bearings;
I was wrong about a single oil feed to the head (Thanks RRoller123!), I thought it was handled like my 1500 SOHC.
So you don't want to cut all the way through the (brass?) if you can help it; maybe just shaving the ID with an x-acto type knife might be easier.
Are the aluminum pulleys adjustable?
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I was wrong about a single oil feed to the head (Thanks RRoller123!), I thought it was handled like my 1500 SOHC.
So you don't want to cut all the way through the (brass?) if you can help it; maybe just shaving the ID with an x-acto type knife might be easier.
Are the aluminum pulleys adjustable?
I like the Vick header, too!
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Re: Tragedy has struck. ETA head gasket
maluminse wrote:Awesome. Thanks for the info. I used Haynes for the bolt torque. Two bolts were not even 55. Pretty sure that was the source of the problem. Im surprised it got worse. Maybe it was the 5w 20.
Either way. Maybe next weekend. Oh Yea still have to order the head gaket ha. Guess Ill need intake and exhaust gaskets too...
Ok Im listening to you over the venerable Haynes. You have a motor as an avatar so I feel confident. : D
Head is on. Concerned some oil got on the hg as I was putting it on. Was a b getting the dowels married.
Also there were four brass holes on each corner. Two diagnol were the dowels. The other two aligned with the hole but the brass rings covered about a 1/16th of an inch of the hole. I called Maricambi. They didnt know what went in the hole, coolant or what. But he said it wont be a problem...
The rest of the holes appeared to be perfect.
All the head bolts are threaded. Timing belt is on and I spun the engine with a big wrench. No clash and the timing marks appear to still be aligned. So far so good.
So on to 61 lbs per bolt.
And then all the ancillaries. Guardedly optimistic.
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see my previous post about the grommets;maluminse wrote:maluminse wrote: Also there were four brass holes on each corner. Two diagnol were the dowels. The other two aligned with the hole but the brass rings covered about a 1/16th of an inch of the hole. I called Maricambi. They didnt know what went in the hole, coolant or what.
also see Rroller123's diagram of the lube system earlier in this thread.
You'll get a little crush when you torque the HG down, reset the tension on the timing belt afterward for the shorter distance.
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fyi, that oiling diagram may be for a 1.8L or smaller engine, (based upon the fill cap location) not sure if it the same for the 2L, but logic would say that it likely is.
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The '79 2L I'm working on has the 6 passages shown in the diagram. (Just took the pistons out yesterday.)RRoller123 wrote:fyi, that oiling diagram may be for a 1.8L or smaller engine, (based upon the fill cap location) not sure if it the same for the 2L, but logic would say that it likely is.
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Good news and bad news.
Good news - I twisted the distributor back a bit and it sputtered and then started.
Tuned it to ear. Tightened it.
Smoke coming off exhaust manifold. Expected.
No smoke from tail pipe
at first.
Then after maybe a minute it started blowing smoke out the back. White smoke.
So I turned it off.
Think If it gets up to operating temp it will stop?
It will probably get worse.
Good news - I twisted the distributor back a bit and it sputtered and then started.
Tuned it to ear. Tightened it.
Smoke coming off exhaust manifold. Expected.
No smoke from tail pipe
at first.
Then after maybe a minute it started blowing smoke out the back. White smoke.
So I turned it off.
Think If it gets up to operating temp it will stop?
It will probably get worse.
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You didn't mention timing the distributor in the deleted post; adjusting it and getting a start is good!
Probably needs fine adjustment once running.
is the smoke water vapor, or oil? could be left in the manifold/ head pipe. Watch coolant level, condition of dipstick and view thru oil filler cap.
Probably needs fine adjustment once running.
is the smoke water vapor, or oil? could be left in the manifold/ head pipe. Watch coolant level, condition of dipstick and view thru oil filler cap.
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Maybe vapor. Seemed pretty white. Yea ill check the oil right now. Good point. If its whitish its fubar.Daddio wrote:You didn't mention timing the distributor in the deleted post; adjusting it and getting a start is good!
Probably needs fine adjustment once running.
is the smoke water vapor, or oil? could be left in the manifold/ head pipe. Watch coolant level, condition of dipstick and view thru oil filler cap.
If not there is hope.
Im going to start the engine later tonight so I dont smoke out all the moms walking their babies.
I dont know if I mentioned. I think I did. The cams had some oil spilling out. Im concerned it got on top of the head gasket when I was putting the head on.
I would think after tightening to 61lbs and being left for 18 hours or so it would have squoze out. Well see I guess.
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Ok good news.
Oil is 97% clear. Just a tad milky. Which I expected b/c I didnt think all the milk oil would come out from last change.
So maybe it is oil that was in the cylinder somehow. Spilled in from the cam or open distributor hole.
Oil pressure was up. Right in middle which is higher than usual.
So later Ill go start it and run it until operating temp. Maybe the smoke will burn off.
Yes it will. PMA
Oil is 97% clear. Just a tad milky. Which I expected b/c I didnt think all the milk oil would come out from last change.
So maybe it is oil that was in the cylinder somehow. Spilled in from the cam or open distributor hole.
Oil pressure was up. Right in middle which is higher than usual.
So later Ill go start it and run it until operating temp. Maybe the smoke will burn off.
Yes it will. PMA
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sounds good; the leak into #4 may have put coolant as far as the muffler (or cat, if so equipped) so the whole exhaust will need to come up to temp before you're rid of steam from it.
if the head gasket got compromised during installation, you've got plenty of recent experience for replacing it!
if the head gasket got compromised during installation, you've got plenty of recent experience for replacing it!
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haaaaaDaddio wrote:sounds good; the leak into #4 may have put coolant as far as the muffler (or cat, if so equipped) so the whole exhaust will need to come up to temp before you're rid of steam from it.
if the head gasket got compromised during installation, you've got plenty of recent experience for replacing it!
I like it. Its fun. But Im getting old. Man my back and legs are feeling it from being hunched over hours on end. But youre right. If I have to do it again it will be much faster. And all the bolts are clean.
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80 psi too high?
nvm.
It dropped back to 55.
Also smoking like a chimney.
Let it get to 180 degrees. Smoked the whole time.
Checked the oil. Down about a half a quart now.
Oil Slightly milkier white but wasnt hot. Oil was cool. I used my fingers to wipe the dipstick.
Wonder what went wrong...
Earlier post below. disregard.
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Went out this morning. Its 36 degrees.
Started it. Fired up immediately.
Let it run for 30 seconds. No smoke anywhere.
Shut it down b/c oil pressure is 80 psi.
Too high?
When I started the car last it was 65 degrees outside and the pressure was 50? Straight up and down.
10w/30
The oil pressure sending unit wire came out of its plug when i was changing the hg. I was able to stuff the wire back in to the plug and plug the wire into the sending unit. Seems ok. Adding info just in case.
You know how I had to drill out one of the brass rings for the dowel to fit? That was one of four corner holes/brass rings.
One of the other brass rings covered the hole about 1/16th of an inch. I called Auto Ricambi. They said it should be fine but he didnt know what hole it was whether it was oil, coolant etc.
nvm.
It dropped back to 55.
Also smoking like a chimney.
Let it get to 180 degrees. Smoked the whole time.
Checked the oil. Down about a half a quart now.
Oil Slightly milkier white but wasnt hot. Oil was cool. I used my fingers to wipe the dipstick.
Wonder what went wrong...
Earlier post below. disregard.
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Went out this morning. Its 36 degrees.
Started it. Fired up immediately.
Let it run for 30 seconds. No smoke anywhere.
Shut it down b/c oil pressure is 80 psi.
Too high?
When I started the car last it was 65 degrees outside and the pressure was 50? Straight up and down.
10w/30
The oil pressure sending unit wire came out of its plug when i was changing the hg. I was able to stuff the wire back in to the plug and plug the wire into the sending unit. Seems ok. Adding info just in case.
You know how I had to drill out one of the brass rings for the dowel to fit? That was one of four corner holes/brass rings.
One of the other brass rings covered the hole about 1/16th of an inch. I called Auto Ricambi. They said it should be fine but he didnt know what hole it was whether it was oil, coolant etc.
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Can you do a compression check? It might tell you more before tearing it apart-again.
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Daddio wrote:Can you do a compression check? It might tell you more before tearing it apart-again.
Sure. Ill get a compression checker.