1977 Failed Smog CA 2019

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Odoyle
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Your car is a: 1983 Pinafarina Spider
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1977 Failed Smog CA 2019

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My 1977 spider failed CA smog today because the CO% (carbon monoxide) was off by a lot. The max in CA is between 1.46 and 1.26, mine measured at 7.01 and 6.51.

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Carb is a 32 adfa which has a new needle valve and a gasket replaced, float was adjusted to 6.5mm, air corrector jets are both 1.75, car came with those. New cat, all smog equipment is present and functioning, points have been replaced with an marelli electronic ignition set-up from a 79 CA car, new marelli plugs, idles smooth around 1500-2000 rpm depending on the choke. Also worth mentioning the timing was set to 10° instead of 0° ±3°.

I need to figure out ways to lower the CO%, after reading every post concerning fiats and carbon monoxide, I found a similar sitution a guy had in 2006,
I had the same problem a year ago at the same inspection station that Bobs been going to- I failed the loaded CO by a lot. 6.45 (1.65 max to pass). Also failed the HC at 291 (250 max allowed). Before the retest I tried the typical tricks, retard the timing and add 1 part denatured alcohol the four parts gasoline in the tank. Even still, I think the biggest problem was that the inspector performed the load test in second gear. I'm not sure what speed the test 'rolls' at but the RPM's were screaming. On the retest, I sat in the passenger seat (again) and requested the inspector put it in third gear. Initally he resisted but when I pushed him on this point, he complied and ran the load test in third gear. RPM's were a lot lower and the results were significant. CO went from 6.45 to .25 and HC went from 291 to 62. Idle results were essentially unchanged. I'm keeping my fingers cross that the other Bob has the same results!
Not really looking to add denatured alcohol to fuel, but something has to be done to bring CO number down, all feedback is welcomed.
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Re: 1977 Failed Smog CA 2019

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Two more things to add.
1. I'm staring at my smog check report and trying to figure out what my NOx reading was and it says range is 1434-1294 ppm and mine measured 6-4 ppm. Can that be right??
2. My EGR system is all present EXCEPT the thermoswitch on top of the head which didn't seem to work and was removed and plugged. Also the EGR vacuum switch has one small port connected to the small t going to the carb and the EGR valve, but the other side of the vaccum switch is not connected to anything, is that right?
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Re: 1977 Failed Smog CA 2019

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According to https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/h ... 13/1272536 retarding the ignition should help.
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Re: 1977 Failed Smog CA 2019

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I'd definitely try again with the timing set to 0 degrees TDC as recommended, and I'd look into the issue with your EGR setup. High CO levels mean you've got incomplete combustion of the fuel. Ideally, all the hydrocarbons in the fuel would be "burned" (oxidized) all the way up to CO2, and high CO means you're not getting complete combustion. Additional evidence is the somewhat higher than normal hydrocarbon (HC) levels, essentially unburnt or minimally burnt fuel, although you did pass this measurement in the smog check.

How new is your catalytic converter? I don't know if there is a break-in period for these, but I put a new one in my '93 Jaguar about two years ago, and the first smog was only dozens of miles after putting it in and the car just barely passed smog. The most recent smog check a month ago (i.e., many more miles on the new cat) passed with flying colors.

High NOx is evidence of the engine running too hot, such as you might see if it were running way too lean. If your engine is running normally with regard to mixture and temperature, it is not unusual to see NOx levels down in the single digits.

Other things to check: bad plugs or plug wires, vacuum leaks, and a sticking choke valve (it should be open all the way when the engine is warm).

-Bryan
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