Seat Change and Custom Shoulder Belt Guides

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btoran
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Your car is a: 1975 Fiat 124 Sport Spider
Location: Northport, NY

Seat Change and Custom Shoulder Belt Guides

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The seats that came with my spider looked ok but had the serious gangster lean (broken in more than one spot) and the vinyl was starting to tear in several places. Also, the foam was shot and the seats just weren't supportive. Rather than fix a litany of seating issues, I opted for new seats and installed the Procar Pro-90 seats by SCAT. As an aside, how can you not love a company whose name also means animal poop?

The seats are very similar in style to the stock seats and have a larger range of adjustments available. These are the seats...
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I ordered the special Fiat adapters but in the end, I didn't use them. Instead, I used the new rails that came with the seats and bolted them directly to where the old rails bolted. Well, almost. The rails didn't exactly line up (hence the reason they sell the adapters, but the adapters added too much height to the seat). So I had to have two tabs welded onto the rails closest to the center line of the car in order to make everything work.

I think they look great and they feel great. Fair warning, though, they do sit you about 2 inches higher than stock, which could be a problem for medium to tall folks (and a blessing for the vertically challenged).

Here are some pictures of the seats installed.....
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A problem I ran into was that SCAT does not offer any kind of shoulder belt guide and the spacing of the headrest posts are different than the spider's stock seats so the wire type belt guides sold by AutoRicambi wouldn't fit.

I have zero welding skills (I mostly work the wood). I could have gotten a local welder (like the one I used to weld the tabs onto the seat rails) to fabricate a wire one, but he (and a few other shops) weren't interested in such a small, one-off project. So I figured I would make a set of guides using my primitive metal working tools (hammer and vice) and limited metal working skills (ie none).

I started by buying a 4 ft length of metal bar stock from my local hardware store, rounded the edges with a file, and simply bent it into a shape I thought might work using the hammer, vice, and brute force method. A few iterations later (my version 2's are always much better than my version 1's) and viola, a master piece......
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You need to really zoom on the closeup picture to see the important curl within a curl.
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Holes were drilled for the headrest posts and a frantic search was on for grommets. 6 stores later, I had the grommets (they're an odd size, go figure).
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The pieces were painted a satin black with a rattle can, but seats are a curious mix on the spectrum somewhere between flat and satin. After a few failed attempts using multiple rattle cans an "ah hah" moment emerged.....prime the things with black satin and finish them off using SEM dye, which I had used to change the back seat from tan to black long ago. Of course, I had none left and the nearest can was a 45 min ride away in each direction, but a nice day and a hard drive with the top down are what these cars are made for, so off I went. The color match is perfect and the shoulder guides simply blend in.

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Nice job. The seats look great and the shoulder belt guides look like they belong with the seats.
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Wow, Those are the best looking replacement seats I have seen! Great job.
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I have Garage Pro Racing Seats and had to reinstall them without the adapters too as they sat me looking over the top of the windshield. At 2 inches too high it makes it impossible to see traffic lights unless you stop before you get to the sensor pad.

Still looking for the perfect replacement seat where the seat pan drops below the rails more like the stock ones to give you that lower center of gravity and not make it such a squeeze to get your legs under the steering wheel and not have it rubbing on your thighs every time you turn it.

The previous owner put the seats in after tossing the OEM which I would have preferred to have so I could have welded up new frames for the back, reupholstered and put back in.
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The design seems to fit the styling of your Spider very well. The other seat that looks good in the car is the Corbeau that Wizard124 installed in his Spider. They are very comfortable and he matched his interior to the seat vinyl.
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Post by Zoofly »

Hey, btoran. I just purchased a set of Procar Rally seats and I found your seat belt guide post. I'd like to copy you because it looks so natural along with the seats. If you can remember the size of the hole you drilled and the grommet size, you might save me some frustrations along the way. Also, do you recall the length of the finished bar before you did the bending? I'm always amazed at what the forum has to offer when it comes to workarounds. Thanks!
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Sorry. Haven't been on the site in a while. my bars measure about 12 inches long and then they are bent inwards for the loop undereath. not sure what the grommet size was exactly.
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