dimensions and weight for an engine

[Tappy]

This is a 2 side question ;

-has anyone have an idea on weight and dimensions for shipping an engine
-does anyone have a reasonably priced bolt on 2l engine as a spare ? (price pls)

i'm trieing to figure out howmuch it would set me back to find an engine in the states and get it shipped overhere (Belgium)


Of course all your european fiat engine seller are also welcome to respond

[pope]

Tappy, What happened?
I thought I saw an easy engine fix and now your looking for a whole new engine! It looked like you just need a new cam.

[Tappy]

Tappy, What happened?
I thought I saw an easy engine fix and now your looking for a whole new engine! It looked like you just need a new cam.

Well ....eum..... the camlobe problem-fix didnt solve the initial problem
i can't turn the engine no more (or not round ,+-30° on each side ), however id drove the car out of the garage a week ago , @first sight timing belt is still on "time"

Got the sparkplugs out to see if the cylinders werent filled up with water due misplacing the headgasket , but no water that can block engine from turning (fieuw)

next point of checklist is getting timebelt back off , and recheck everything , and check if i can turn cranckase then ?

Any ideau on the couse ? @ this moment i in the blue wath could couse my problem

In case i cant find the problem i'm looking out for replacement motor and sources are almost not exitable here , or very high priced ,so i like to see what import would cost me
However we pay taxes on, price and transport(21%), on inport so would be a close call i guess

[pope]

Tappy. I think whatever engine you could get would not be new (of course) and you would still have to tear apart and check it out for yourself to make sure that every thing is OK.
Is the lower end of the engine OK? If you took the head off, could you still turn the engine by hand? Are any of the the valves bent?

Good Luck. We are all rooting for you.

[Tappy]

Well ,the valves were not bent as far i could see when i took the head of
therefore i think like suggested i have to go and find the problem in the lower part of the engine

@ this moment on abay germany there's a brand new spider engine for sale , completly remanufactured etc
but i guess price is getting to high

on the meantime i did an extended search on the auction sites (over 8000 anounces pff) on fiat
and guess what i found a fiat argenta engine , i believe they are the same (any comment anyone?)

it sells for 50€ (aprox75$) , came out of a working car so i might goin to get that , so i can rebuild it or even if that doesnt work i can learn much of it taking it apprart

Hopefully i get the car to a friend with a garage next week to get the engine out

keep your fingers crossed

[So Cal Mark]

have you made sure the aux shaft is timed properly also? If it's mistimed it will prevent the engine from turning

[Europa]

Tappy,

Any news on your engine? Were you able to get it to run?

[Tappy]

not yet and i only drove her twice this year , now one of the last sunny days are passing

realigned the timing belt again yesterday , could turn it over , even used starter , then when trie to set ignition i tried to turn again and engine locked again ? i'm really losing it here (i know ignition has nothing to do with turning over the engine , thats wy i'm losing it )

next monday she gets towed away to a garage to get the engine out so i can determine what the hell is goin on

my bet is on a misformed aux shaft , as i had already fixed the worn of lobe on the second cilinder exhoust camschaft
dont worry keep ya all updated , i'm almost 24/7 lurking on the forum

[rlux4]

Tappy, I hate to see you go through the expense of pulling the engine if it's just a matter of undoing the timing belt and getting the cams and aux shaft pulley alligned correctly. With the belt off you should be able to turn the engine backwards a little bit. Put the mark on the aux shaft pulley pointing towards the bolt in the center of the tensioner spring. It sure sounds like that or a cam is not lined up correctly. If the aux shaft is out of position too far the lobe will meet the bolts on the #1 connecting rod. If the cam is wrong, a the valve will hit the top of the piston, either scenario will stop the engine from turning in the correct direction, but you would be able to turn it backward, away from the obstruction.
Good luck,
Ron

[So Cal Mark]

2L motors shouldn't have valve to piston contact, unless hc pistons have been installed

[Tappy]

Tappy, I hate to see you go through the expense of pulling the engine if it's just a matter of undoing the timing belt and getting the cams and aux shaft pulley alligned correctly. With the belt off you should be able to turn the engine backwards a little bit. Put the mark on the aux shaft pulley pointing towards the bolt in the center of the tensioner spring. It sure sounds like that or a cam is not lined up correctly. If the aux shaft is out of position too far the lobe will meet the bolts on the #1 connecting rod. If the cam is wrong, a the valve will hit the top of the piston, either scenario will stop the engine from turning in the correct direction, but you would be able to turn it backward, away from the obstruction.
Good luck,
Ron

Well i tought so too , problem is i've re-aligned timing belt many times , and here it comes , i can turn it by hand afterwards (using a 38mm socket )without hitting anything , even use the starter engine was no problem wich indicates that everytng should be ok , only after standing just still , after a while the engine locks up , very strange

2L motors shouldn't have valve to piston contact, unless hc pistons have been installed

tought so too there would be no interference in the engine , but that 's why i posted my head number a while ago and according to brad artigue and my own found info the head would fit a 1592 engine as well as a 1995 engine , and i'm not sure if these wont have interferance


anyway i would bet on wrong timing belt issue as well so i'll trie once more tomorrow , see if i can make a difference , but anyway the reason i've started this is becouse i've had a loud knocking sound abouve 1000 rpm , and a "ploffing" sound in the exhoust , the ploffing sound is solved bye replacing the exhoust camschaft with the worn lobe. However i wasnt been able to determine the knocking sound recource


(after replacing the the exhoust camschaft with the worn lobe i've been able to start the car , and get it above 1000rpm , the knocking sound remained , then i drove it outside the garage ;, when i wanted to drive it back in , the engine blocked ....)

[So Cal Mark]

the head isn't the determing factor in valve to piston contact, it's the pistons. 2L pistons have deeper valve reliefs. The cam timing can be correct and the aux shaft can still be incorrect.

[Tappy]

the head isn't the determing factor in valve to piston contact, it's the pistons. 2L pistons have deeper valve reliefs. The cam timing can be correct and the aux shaft can still be incorrect.

i didn't know that , but anyway still doesnt explain why it first can turn around , and just after a few crancks its blocked

I hope to find out this week , tomorrow it will be towed to a friends garage , i'll keep you all posted