Hi All,
Need some help identifying the source of a metal grinding noise.
Yesterday I drove to a car show - about 60Km there and another 60Km home in the afternoon.
I had checked and topped up the oil prior to leaving in the morning.
Start to notice a strange noise when I was leaving the show.
When I got home the noise was really prevalent as I drove into the garage.
The noise is only there at 1500 - 2400 rpm - As per the attached video, noise start at 3 second mark.
https://youtu.be/vlitZ6qX6JM
The sound appears to be coming from the front of the inlet cam housing, I pull the cam cover off the the cam looks okay - with heaps of oil present.
Motor is stock 2.0 litre with standard F.I., motor was rebuild in 2009 - low mileage since then. Timing belt is okay.
Any Ideas ????
Help - metal grinding noise *SOLVED*
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Help - metal grinding noise *SOLVED*
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
It looks like something is touching rotating part. Look at the fan, alternator, cam cover or belts ....
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
+1 to TwinFast's comment
Make sure radiator fan/housing is not contacting the water pump.
Make sure radiator fan/housing is not contacting the water pump.
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
Thanks for the replies,
I've checked the fan belt, CAM belt, the steel fan blades on the alternator - nothing touching. Electric fan for the radiator, so it wasn't running at the time. Check if the was any wiring touching anything.
Does the inlet cam have a bearing in the seal behind the cam wheel ?
Next I'll be getting the timing/cam belt cover off !
I've checked the fan belt, CAM belt, the steel fan blades on the alternator - nothing touching. Electric fan for the radiator, so it wasn't running at the time. Check if the was any wiring touching anything.
Does the inlet cam have a bearing in the seal behind the cam wheel ?
Next I'll be getting the timing/cam belt cover off !
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Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
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1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
No bearings, cams seat inside the cam tower housing. Might have excessive play between cam journal and the housing, which is rare, but possible considering you mentioned everything came apart in 09. Was intake cam replaced then?
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
Are the cam pully bolts tight?
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
ODoyle - Cam wasn't replaced - same cam used, the pistons were replaced in '09.
bobplyer - Bolts - I hadn't thought of that - I'll be pulling the cover off next.
Thanks
bobplyer - Bolts - I hadn't thought of that - I'll be pulling the cover off next.
Thanks
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1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise
Timing cover rubbing on the pulley
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise *SOLVED*
Thanks for everyone's input,
Solved the problem today, after I put an inspection camera down each cylinder and did a compression test !!!
I found the fan belt had a bit of lack.
So, it wasn’t the valves, cam shaft, tensioner bearing or any moving part.
It was the lower bolt and nut on the alternator.
The nut had come off and the bolt was moving around, when the engine revved higher the alternator would move and create the grinding noise, - new nut, tighten it all up and no noise now.
All fixed ! ! ! !
Solved the problem today, after I put an inspection camera down each cylinder and did a compression test !!!
I found the fan belt had a bit of lack.
So, it wasn’t the valves, cam shaft, tensioner bearing or any moving part.
It was the lower bolt and nut on the alternator.
The nut had come off and the bolt was moving around, when the engine revved higher the alternator would move and create the grinding noise, - new nut, tighten it all up and no noise now.
All fixed ! ! ! !
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2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
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Re: Help - metal grinding noise *SOLVED*
Nice to hear that good news ...
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