1980 spider Restoration phase 2
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Just beautiful work. Thanks for posting.
As for the breaks pads/calipers, I'm convinced that whoever designed them was actually a furniture builder moonlighting as a mechanical engineer. Cotter pins and shims - really????
Happy Resurrection Sunday all (aka Easter). He is risen!
As for the breaks pads/calipers, I'm convinced that whoever designed them was actually a furniture builder moonlighting as a mechanical engineer. Cotter pins and shims - really????
Happy Resurrection Sunday all (aka Easter). He is risen!
Simi Valley, California
Spider 1800
Romans 10:9
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Drummond,
As always, beautiful work!
One thing you may want to check is the brake pad anti-rattle springs you are using. Somewhere around 1980 they went from the style of springs you have on your pads to a different style that installs on the top edge of the pad instead of along the side. Like these:
https://autoricambi.us/products/brake-hose-clip
I started out with the same springs you have, but found the newer style kept the pads much quieter. You really can hear the pads rattling around in their ancient calipers when going over bumps and cracks in the road. The new style is also much more challenging to install and I broke a couple trying to get them just right. I bought one set (1 spring per pad, so 4 per axle) from AR and another set from Midwest Bayless. I found the Midwest springs a bit easier to maneuver than the AR's, but YMMV.
Related question on your brake disks. Are those new or did you clean yours up? I would expect to see the disks have a more machined look on their faces, maybe its just the picture.
Kirk
As always, beautiful work!
One thing you may want to check is the brake pad anti-rattle springs you are using. Somewhere around 1980 they went from the style of springs you have on your pads to a different style that installs on the top edge of the pad instead of along the side. Like these:
https://autoricambi.us/products/brake-hose-clip
I started out with the same springs you have, but found the newer style kept the pads much quieter. You really can hear the pads rattling around in their ancient calipers when going over bumps and cracks in the road. The new style is also much more challenging to install and I broke a couple trying to get them just right. I bought one set (1 spring per pad, so 4 per axle) from AR and another set from Midwest Bayless. I found the Midwest springs a bit easier to maneuver than the AR's, but YMMV.
Related question on your brake disks. Are those new or did you clean yours up? I would expect to see the disks have a more machined look on their faces, maybe its just the picture.
Kirk
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Hi nelson
Happy Easter to you also! Thank you for your kind words.
Regarding the brakes setup and design it reminds me of the old motorcycles and their brake setups.
Hi Kirk
thanks for the info on the new type of pad springs. when I fitted them they seemed kind of weak, but I want to put nearly everything back as it was and see how it works out before I start improving or modifying.
This is how they looked before rehab
I soaked the disc in vinegar for 4 days and the rust just dissolved away, then I wire wheeled the disc. This is how it turned out, as you can see the little pockets were rust at one stage. The car is a low mileage example which had sat for a very long time, just rusting away. All of the discs have very little wear on them.
Happy Easter to you also! Thank you for your kind words.
Regarding the brakes setup and design it reminds me of the old motorcycles and their brake setups.
Hi Kirk
thanks for the info on the new type of pad springs. when I fitted them they seemed kind of weak, but I want to put nearly everything back as it was and see how it works out before I start improving or modifying.
This is how they looked before rehab
I soaked the disc in vinegar for 4 days and the rust just dissolved away, then I wire wheeled the disc. This is how it turned out, as you can see the little pockets were rust at one stage. The car is a low mileage example which had sat for a very long time, just rusting away. All of the discs have very little wear on them.
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Drummond,
I agree the new style springs are kind of odd, but they did work for me. I had originally put them under the pad, as opposed to on top, and that didn't work well, as they were fighting gravity all the time. The vinegar soak really cleaned up your disks! I was just concerned that the rust pitting might be hard on your new pads.
Kirk
I agree the new style springs are kind of odd, but they did work for me. I had originally put them under the pad, as opposed to on top, and that didn't work well, as they were fighting gravity all the time. The vinegar soak really cleaned up your disks! I was just concerned that the rust pitting might be hard on your new pads.
Kirk
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Kirk
Yes, the photo's do exaggerate the pits more than they really are. Let's hope I get to test them in the not so distant future
Yes, the photo's do exaggerate the pits more than they really are. Let's hope I get to test them in the not so distant future
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
If it concerns you just get the pad surfaces spun on a brake lathe.DRUMMOND wrote:Kirk
Yes, the photo's do exaggerate the pits more than they really are. Let's hope I get to test them in the not so distant future
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Those rotors you've salvaged are going to ruin the new pads quickly. New rotors are $18.
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Baltobernie/Arik
I appreciate your comments and concerns. But as I said the camera exaggerates the pits. I have no concerns.
I appreciate your comments and concerns. But as I said the camera exaggerates the pits. I have no concerns.
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
As the weather warmed up recently I managed to finish the rest of the painting now just hanging up to dry
Also started to install the wiring loom, Heat blanket for transmission tunnel. Heater/Fan assembly.
Once the basic install is complete will then install relays and remote control modules for doors/hood/trunk/lights
Also started to install the wiring loom, Heat blanket for transmission tunnel. Heater/Fan assembly.
Once the basic install is complete will then install relays and remote control modules for doors/hood/trunk/lights
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Nice looking work. As always!
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Thanks Klweimer!
Further progress all heater controls and Handbrake hooked up
New ground pods installed
Some Stainless Steel Plates installed to cover suspension holes
Just an FYI these buggers show very little continuity from oxidation. I had to take them all out, to get some decent readings, clean them with copper cleaner and dielectric grease. Now show strong continuity
Lights Installed
Further progress all heater controls and Handbrake hooked up
New ground pods installed
Some Stainless Steel Plates installed to cover suspension holes
Just an FYI these buggers show very little continuity from oxidation. I had to take them all out, to get some decent readings, clean them with copper cleaner and dielectric grease. Now show strong continuity
Lights Installed
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Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
Awesome.
Re: 1980 spider Restoration phase 2
It's looking good! I have now decided on a "Drummond" approach to my restoration in light of this thread...I plan to replace only what absolutely needs replacing and, if possible repair, refurbish, clean, paint and lube everything else! It does help immensely that I also have a nearly complete parts car from the same year to mine replacement parts from.
Plus, I could take lessons from this thread regarding being more organized, methodical and meticulous...
Plus, I could take lessons from this thread regarding being more organized, methodical and meticulous...
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