Steering Idler Fluid Change

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Steering Idler Fluid Change

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I know we have been over this a number of times, but there are a lot of new folks here, and maybe this will be of some use.

One of my Winter maintenance items this year is to check the fluid in the steering idler (passenger side). The top is held on by 3 Allen head machine screws (#6M wrench) and has an access port in its center (13mm wrench). I changed the fluid (Castrol Hypoy C gear oil 80W-90) in Nov 2011 when I first bought the car. Upon inspection today, there was no fluid in the upper chamber, (no surprise), but the lower chamber miraculously was full. I expected to find that the majority of it would have seeped out over the past 4 years. Anyway it was cloudy, so I changed it. You can use a vacuum flush, or just a bunch of paper towels, which is what I did. Get any grey paste out of the bottom of the chamber. It is abrasive.

Note that there is an UPPER and a LOWER chamber! Just filling the unit to overflow from the exterior port is not sufficient! Pics follow.

Here's the unit:

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Access port for FINAL fill:

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Pull off the top and then remove this plate that is underneath. It has 4 small ball bearing spring loaded ports (2-way "valves" really) to allow lubricant to gain access to and from the bottom chambers:

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This is the bottom side of this plate. You can see minor wear in the areas where the arms sweep across it:

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Here is the bottom chamber, with cloudy fluid (moisture and aluminum abraded material likely the culprit):

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I sopped it all out with MANY paper towels and wiped out the grey paste which results from wear of the arms. The two trapezoidal shaped arms rotate back and forth as the steering is turned. Fill the lower chamber until it is just overflowing, then put back in the middle plate with the 4 "valves" and the top.

Then fill the unit through the access port and move the steering lock to lock a few times. It is really interesting how this thing works!

Apparently the 4 ball bearing "valves" allow lubricant to flow in and out of the chambers as the bars sweep across. Makes sense as it has to go somewhere. So it flows up through the 4 ball bearing pressure release "valves" into the top chamber, which acts as a lube feed reservoir, very similarly to the brake fluid reservoir. As the arms sweep, 2 chambers are positively pressurized, while two are negatively pressurized. Thus the excess fluid is pushed up into the top chamber in two ports, and pulled back down from the top chamber by the vacuum in the other two ports.

You can watch the fluid flow past the access port and hear the air escaping under pressure as the steering is moved back and forth. I think this little thing is really quite ingenious! It provides a regulated amount of fluid to the 4 sweep arm chambers, and mixes the fluid regularly as the steering is used.

After fooling around with it for a while and contemplating the mechanics of it, top it up through the access port. It takes a few sequences to get it truly full. A cat food can, complete with plenty of greasy remnants for added lubricity, is perfect.

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If you want to go as far as pulling it out, this is a good guide.

http://t124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11281
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You da man! Translate: I found this post very helpful.
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Great tutorial, Pete - Thanks. Another project on the list! I see there's an o ring on the bottom piece - was there a gasket between the top and the housing?
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Thanks guys, there is a wide range of knowledge here on the forum, and I don't pretend to be an expert, but I think there is a lot of value in sharing details of experience with basic mid-level maintenance stuff. When I get to my second engine work this Summer, I will be a net consumer of the collective knowledge here for sure.

Jay being our unofficial Librarian/Conservator can add this one to his list. :) And the pics on the web link that Mick sent are really good! Much better than what I was able to get with the system installed in the car. :)

No gaskets, just O-rings on both top and bottom surfaces of that middle plate. The top O-ring seals the outer top. Mine are fine, and probably are many, many years old. They get socked down quite firmly, sit in a groove, and don't see any relative motion so they are likely to last a very long time.

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good post was not on my list of to do's
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I did this job about a month ago with some heavy weight diff fluid and my idler seems to have leaked a good portion of it on the ground below. I'm thinking its time to replace it with a ball-bearing type idler, but for now I think ill try refilling it with some GL1 mineral oil.
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131 wrote:If you want to go as far as pulling it out, this is a good guide.

http://t124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11281
So why the conflicting procedures between using 80w90 vs ATF?
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Owner's manual calls for 80W/90 EP, but lots of people substitute other lubricants.
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The two fluids are quite the contradiction!
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Quite common to substitute ATF for GearLube in many applications especially when colder temperatures are expected. Better solution than adding kerosene or stove oil to thin out the lube when its cold out like our grand or great grand parents had to.
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After refilling the idler arm a couple time it finally seized on me in 2012 or 2013. Replaced it with one of the bearing idler arms from auto Ricambi. Other than needing a slightly longer bolt to attach it to the frame rail it was a pretty straightforward job and I believe eliminates another failure point on our cars. Steering feels more responsive.
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Huge thanks going out to Pete aka RRoller123 :mrgreen:

Finally (5 yrs of ownership) got this done today. Incredible difference. Almost feels like power assist steering :shock:

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Wow, that was a mess! Must be a huge difference now!

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