Spider as First Car

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Should the Fiat be my first car?

Yes
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No
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wclough

Spider as First Car

Post by wclough »

Hello All,

I have a question regarding a Spider as my first car. I'm 16yo and currently drive a Honda Civic (I've been driving for about a year now, so I'm no stranger to the road). A family friend of ours owns a 1979 Spider, and wants me to have it. The car was actually my dad's originally and he feels obligated to pass it on to me.

The car has not been driven regularly for quite some time now (maybe up to 10 years), and it's getting a little rough around the edges. He's done a good job keeping it from falling apart, but it is far from being fully restored. I'm going to give it a thorough look this weekend and see how much help it needs. For the most part, it is in decent shape. No major rusting, new tires, battery, ignition, and radiator. Needs some electrical help though and doesn't currently have functioning turning signals or break lights (but the headlights work fine). Overall, it drove fine when we took it out the other day, but took a little while getting started. I know it's going to be a bit of an investment and I'm prepared for that, and my dad is willing to help too. We are also looking to have it as a project that we can work on together.

My mom on the other hand is worried that the car will be unreliable and unsafe. She is mostly caught up with the fact that it doesn't have airbags and it's a little creaky around the edges. I just wanted to see what you all thought as having the Fiat as my first car. I would love more than anything to be able to drive this baby around town :). It would be a daily driver for the most part, but I would always have the Civic if something goes wrong, or the weather gets bad.

It just seems crazy to pass up this amazing car for free! Hoping it will all work out and I will be out cruising soon. Thanks!
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My first car was a Spider and I'm still here with all limbs attached. Drove my first one as a daily driver for 23 years. This is not a car you can just get in and drive like the Honda. Routine maintainence is required. If you have the time, money, and desire to learn about these cars, the rewards are wonderful. Nothing removes the stress of the day like a nice cruise with the top down. Having a backup daily driver will make the experience far more pleasant. I spent many an hour underneath mine in the dark, cold, and rain, so i would have transportation in the morning.
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Post by spidernut »

I agree with Azruss 100%.

Spiders are great cars for learning about the mechanics of a car. The 79 Spider will give you an added lessons in emissions equipment and carburetor issues...such as the hard starting issue which can be solved with a simple $50 electronic fuel pump. Spiders are really fun cars to own. My son and daughter both learned to drive in my Spider. I also have been driving them off and on since 1981 and I'm not dead yet either.

As a daily driver for a 16 year old...I wouldn't recommend it if you were my 16 year old. As an occasional driver when you're going on pleasure drives and cruising, absolutely! I've driven mine daily and as Azruss said - these cars require preventative maintenance and require more repairs than your Honda. They can be driven daily. Until recently, I drove 70 miles round trip daily with zero problems. The greatest challenge is sorting out all of the problems before making it a daily driver.

I bought my 79 as a project for my son and me to work on. I was hoping he'd take an interest, but video games were more fun for him. :( If nothing else, take the car and work on it with your dad. I learned to work on cars with my father. My dad passed away many years ago, but I will always have fond memories of helping him with the cars. Money can't buy that! Bond with good 'ol dad!
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Post by aj81spider »

To answer your Mom's concerns: The car will be as reliable as you make it. It is much less safe than a Civic. That said, how you drive it will influence that a lot. I have a Civic coincidentally and drive the Fiat at a far higher state of alert and give myself much more space to get out of trouble. You should do that too.

My opinion: get the car and work on it with your Dad to make it reliable. That alone will make it a good experience. Drive it watching out carefully for the morons driving around you and use the Civic in bad weather. You'll love the driving and having the confidence to keep an old car running and maintained is a giant plus.

I wish my 16 year old was into the Fiat!
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Re: Spider as First Car

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Yes, grab the Spider but you will need the Civic for its reliability as the Fiat progresses.

Keep an eye on Dad, he just may try to make it his again :P
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Get the Spider, and work on it with your Dad.

Worry about what you are going to daily drive later.
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Post by 4uall »

As a proud father and proud owner our Fiona has brought nothing but joy to are family :D Having both a Civic and a Fiat I can tell you first hand the differences/benefits etc etc. Not knowing where you are located geographically not sure if you may want to keep the civic as the winter driver (I do) :wink: My son will be given this car as his first car in 10 yrs 8) IMHO this opportunity is providing numerous positive life experiences and I would jump at the chance :mrgreen: This forum is a phenominal resource with everyone willing to help along the way

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best of luck with it
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5 yes votes and 5 no votes :? Is your mom on this forum? LOL
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Post by baltobernie »

Statistically, a 16-year-old driver is nine times more likely to have a traffic accident than a middle-age driver. You probably even know of somebody your age who has had his first accident. Probably just a fender-bender, with no personal injury, but that's because modern cars are incredibly safe (so long as the occupants are restrained).

Such an accident could lull you in to a false sense of security. Even a low-speed crash in an old roadster can have devastating results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM Your mom is right. Work on the Spider, but save it for a time when you'll both be around to enjoy it.
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general blanket statement :?

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pssst lol

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4uall likes the pictures. I'm more of a words guy, mainly because I can't find all the stuff he does on the interwebs. He must be on the dark web using TOR to get images so fast. :twisted:

MY SAGE ADVICE TO A TEENAGED FIAT SPIDER OWNER

I'll offer my very long-winded advice as someone who has been mucking around in autos for 30+ years, including having raced them, and also having made my share of trouble with cars as a teenager (thankfully not ever having hurt anyone!). As a high school epistemology teacher, I happen to know more than a thing or two about teenage behaviour (I’ve taught well over a thousand teens in under a decade) as well as how the brain works and learns. Finally, I have years of experience riding a vintage motorbike as a daily commuter so I have thought an awful lot about road safety on an almost daily basis. Settle back for a long read if you can pay attention; if you can’t focus for that long, then don’t even THINK of owing a Spider. ;)

Here’s my view: Don't use the Fiat as a daily driver—at least not yet. Use it as an occasional pleasure vehicle and drive the Civic daily until its wheels fall off. While you’re abusing the Honda during the week, take out the Spider for a drive on the weekend with your dad. Work on it. Get to know it. Work on it some more. Take it out for a short cruise on a quiet road during a summer night to woo a girlfriend. Figure out its problem areas and address them methodically, one by one. Take your mum out once in a while and make her fall in love with the car and then learn to trust you with it. The Fiat will almost certainly break down and leave you stranded at some point (that's part of the "fun" of Spider ownership and how old stuff works, but make sure this doesn’t happen when with your mum or your cause will be lost forever). When it does break down, learn how to fix the car quickly on the spot or know how to get it towed without damaging the car or your wallet to a place where you can fix it later. If with a girlfriend, the former will really impress her; the latter really won’t since now you can’t drive her home. In later years, if she ever becomes your wife, the former will (sadly) rapidly cease to impress her despite your own growing sense of accomplishment; the latter, meanwhile, becomes grounds for divorce after it happens enough times …

In all seriousness, before you use a Spider as a daily driver, get AT LEAST a couple of more years of daily seat time in another car—one that has airbags, ABS, a built in safety cage (i.e. a roof supported by B and C pillars), back seats that are safe for your friends, real crumple zones, etc. Go fast in it. Go slow in it. Fool around with it. Get to know the rules of the road and how a car behaves in different conditions (wet, night, cold, snow if you get it). Get a flat and learn how to fix it roadside by yourself without calling anyone. Just as importantly, get to know how OTHER drivers behave and who/what you need to look out for (erratic lane switchers, tailgaters, clueless texters, soccer moms, aggressive dads) plus how to deal with stuff like dangerous intersections, road paint when it's wet out, off camber corners, cars pulling out unexpectedly from the curb, etc. I know you’ve been driving for almost a year so you’re no stranger to the road, but you’re hardly that well acquainted with it either. Drive more as “‘Tis not a year or two shows us a man.” Shakespeare wrote it, so it must be true! It means you don't know jack about anybody until you've been with them a couple of years. You're only halfway there...

Frankly, the road is a different place today than it was 30-40 years ago or more when a lot of us on this bulletin board started driving. There are way more vehicles on the road than even a few decades ago. Worse yet, there are way more SUVs/trucks/mini-vans than ever before, and they have serious mass. There's no contest: They badly squish old Fiats and, unfortunately, can even ride up and into the passenger compartment because of seriously mismatched bumper heights and wildly different centres of gravity. Here's a pic from my workplace parking lot to illustrate the point:
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It doesn't matter how safely I drive or how well I’m buckled in, if the driver of a truck that size collides with me at any appreciable speed, then it's probably lights out for me and not a scratch on him. It would drive right over the back of the car for sure, and just plain through a driver or passenger door. It doesn't matter who's at fault or obeying the law, it's only the laws of physics that count at that point. The best I can do is drive very defensively and make smart choices, because the car itself has next to no defences compared to a modern vehicle.

To make matters worse, people generally drive faster than they used to (in part because their cars are safer and more comfortable) and also brake later (better brakes and tire technology); they probably know less about car control and have less situational awareness than in the past because now there are so many automated systems: ABS, traction control, dynamic stability control, backup sensors with rear facing cameras, automatically adjusting mirrors for headlight glare, blind spot warnings, moving out of lane warnings, automatic emergency braking if a collision is imminent, plus power or adjustable everything so you can’t ever actually get a direct feel for what the car is doing (steering, brakes, suspension) because it’s all mediated through pumps and electronics. For the most part that’s all well and good—except for when it’s not as people over-drive the limits of their vehicle because of a false sense of security. You see it all the time in single car accidents. I live where there’s snow on the roads for four months of the year—people drive way too fast because they get used to their ABS bailing them out, or their traction or stability control keeping them straight… until they’re just going too fast for the conditions and no system can help you when you try to take a curve and the coefficient of friction is too low.

To boot, people probably have less respect for the rules of the road than they used to (the self-centred ‘I'm more important than everyone else’ phenomenon that leads to justifications like "Even though it says no left turn, I'm making a left anyway because I'm in a rush.") Or maybe the ratio of rule-followers and breakers has remained the same, but overall there are more drivers so the absolute number of rule-breakers is greater than before. There are certainly more accidents than ever before (likewise a function of there being more people and vehicles) though injuries are likely lower because of increased safety measures. Most of those measures aren’t present in the Spider.

Add to the above the fact that people behind the wheel are MUCH more distracted than ever before by texting, phoning, music searching, sat-naving, picture taking, not to mention Facebooking and Tweeting. I'm not kidding. People actually do that when driving. Maybe not your average Spider driver, but that's because they're old and like old stuff, which includes cars that don't have Bluetooth built in, not to mention ultra-fancy computerized wizardry like electronic fuel injection. ;) Nowadays, if most people get a buzz on their smartphone, they just can't ignore it and wait to read the text later or see who called only after they’ve stopped driving. Delaying gratification isn't easy in the age of having the internet in your pocket: People feel disconnected if they're not online 24/7 and looking at screens non-stop. That honestly makes for a dangerous driving environment that some police forces say is a much greater safety concern than drinking and driving. I know that drivers Facebook and Tweet on the road—my students tell me about it.

Finally (if you've actually read this far), you're a teenager (no, not the others, they’ve already fallen asleep from the scotch they had earlier). It's not an insult, just a fact. Not only do you not have that much experience driving yet, but you also don't make the best decisions under pressure or in emotionally elevated situations. It's not your fault, just your brain’s. The brain—and especially the prefrontal cortex which is the rational decision making centre responsible for executive function and judgement—doesn't fully develop until the young twenties, and later in boys than girls; meanwhile, the emotional centres (amygdalæ and extended limbic system) are more fully advanced and need a big stimulus for a reward. It's one reason, amongst others, why teenagers take risks that most adults won't (anymore), and why they make what an adult would call a “bad decision” while actually knowing better in a different context. (e.g. “Of course I wouldn’t ever get in a car if I knew the driver was drunk!” and then that very night get in a car with a drunk driver…)

To recap: There is NO SUBSTITUTE for experience; you don’t get experience without making at least some mistakes—it’s how we learn. Indeed, we probably learn more through our failures than we do through our successes (they certainly influence us more). You will surely make many mistakes in your first years of driving, and there's no shame in that. I’m sure you’ve already made a few in your first year. You’ll also do dumb things in cars (by adult standards)… hopefully they won’t be too serious. Make more of those mistakes and do more of those dumb things in something that's safe like the (boring) Civic. You’ll have your hands full just with that. Once you’re a bit older, hopefully a bit wiser, and when you’ve learnt from even more experience what to look for in other drivers and the road, then drive something that's unsafe (and more viscerally exciting) on a daily basis. In the meantime, drive it just once in a while and learn how to maintain it. So: Drive the Civic into the ground, and learn to baby the Spider. :) It’s great that your dad is going to work on it with you, and doubly great that it was once his car that is now getting passed to you.

For good measure, keep reinforcing to your dad that no matter how much time he puts in helping you fix it, it's now YOUR car. It doesn’t matter that it was once his; he gave it away, now it’s yours. And also let him know that no matter how cool he thinks he looks to the ladies when he’s driving it, your driving it with girls your own age in it will always look way cooler. He'll love when you keep telling him that! :mrgreen:

Here’s more to ponder from Shakespeare on the nature of youth from A Winter’s Tale (3.3):
I would there were no age between sixteen and
three-and-twenty, or that youth would sleep out the
rest; for there is nothing in the between but
getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry,
stealing, fighting--Hark you now! Would any but
these boiled brains of nineteen and two-and-twenty
hunt this weather? They have scared away two of my
best sheep[!]
He didn’t know about the prefrontal cortex and the limbic system, but he sure knew a lot about human behaviour!! :D

baltobernie wrote:Statistically, a 16-year-old driver is nine times more likely to have a traffic accident than a middle-age driver. You probably even know of somebody your age who has had his first accident. Probably just a fender-bender, with no personal injury, but that's because modern cars are incredibly safe (so long as the occupants are restrained).

Such an accident could lull you in to a false sense of security. Even a low-speed crash in an old roadster can have devastating results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM Your mom is right. Work on the Spider, but save it for a time when you'll both be around to enjoy it.
Oh yeah. What he said. :)
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Post by 81SPIDERMATT »

live fast ... die young .... leave a pretty corpse ... James Dean

who died in a car crash

it is a miracle I survived my youth ... there are not many who would not say the same thing .... foolish.. reckless ... stupid ... and pure dumb luck ....I would not change a thing .... get the spider
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Post by SoFlaFiat »

Well written phaetn!!
Sound advise for sure!!

That said...
81SPIDERMATT wrote:
it is a miracle I survived my youth ... there are not many who would not say the same thing .... foolish.. reckless ... stupid ... and pure dumb luck ....I would not change a thing .... get the spider
This sound strangely familiar...
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Post by btoran »

some excellent advice from phaetn and shakespeare:

- get the fiat as a fun car (not a daily driver) and work your way into it slowly and carefully and be careful out there.
- don't wrong the ancientry (that's us old folks), steal, fight, or get wenches with child (at least not yet).
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Notwithstanding that the Great Bard didn't know a Spark Plug from a Rear Differential, and would have likely cast "Guibo" as an arch-villain with a tendency to fly apart with little provocation when ignored for too long (ok - so maybe that would have worked...).....

.... I do think a spider is a great first car provided that you don't go and spend all the cash you can get your hands on making it go faster. These are classics that will seldom perform like a well used Civic. Enjoy the car for the cruising. Every new driver does something stupid - I wouldn't recommend a Spider as the car to do it in, so respect it and it will respect you. Plus - pushing them too hard means more things break and need fixing.

I loved learning about cars from my Father, and when my folks were visiting a couple of weeks ago he diagnosed a fault within 3 mins. Obviously I ignored him - and he only said "I told you so" once the next day, as we both worked on the 1800 together. The cars are cheap, the parts can sometimes be expensive, but the bonding is priceless.

Enough of my misty-eyes .... Where's some more Canadians to insult? ;)

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