Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
- blurple124
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Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
Hey Everyone!
I've been away for a while, but thanks to BEEK, I've finally got a refreshed transmission to install in my baby!
Trying to get the clutch replaced before the new tranny goes in, but having some trouble. The old clutch is off and we are trying to get at the bearing to replace it. I thought it just slid out, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Does the flywheel need to come off?
How do I replace this bearing?
Thanks!
I've been away for a while, but thanks to BEEK, I've finally got a refreshed transmission to install in my baby!
Trying to get the clutch replaced before the new tranny goes in, but having some trouble. The old clutch is off and we are trying to get at the bearing to replace it. I thought it just slid out, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Does the flywheel need to come off?
How do I replace this bearing?
Thanks!
Charlie
1978 Fiat 124 Spider 1800 - Antonia
1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport
1978 Fiat 124 Spider 1800 - Antonia
1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport
- azruss
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
that looks way too big for a pilot bearing.
Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
there are two different pilot bearings and generally you use a puller to remove it. There are alternate methods for removal though
Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
It will come out. I did it and I'm sure no mechanic.
This link will help:
http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... lit=+pilot
This link will help:
http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... lit=+pilot
- blurple124
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
Thanks for the input.
I'm with azruss, though, this new bearing seems bigger than the hole there, and it looks like the outer race on the old one is tucked behind the flywheel is this an optical illusion? It looks like the flywheel has to come off in order to replace this; am I wrong?
Mark, what two bearings are you referring to?
I'm with azruss, though, this new bearing seems bigger than the hole there, and it looks like the outer race on the old one is tucked behind the flywheel is this an optical illusion? It looks like the flywheel has to come off in order to replace this; am I wrong?
Mark, what two bearings are you referring to?
Charlie
1978 Fiat 124 Spider 1800 - Antonia
1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
Its a shame to get this far into a rebuild and not resurface the flywheel.
It will never be easier than now. Also before reinstalling the new pilot bearing it helps to freeze it first
Jim
It will never be easier than now. Also before reinstalling the new pilot bearing it helps to freeze it first
Jim
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
The pilot bearing is the same size as the hole in the flywheel, but I believe the plate under the flywheel bolts will keep it from coming out.
If you are this far into it you should consider removing the flywheel and replacing the rear crank seal. The flywheel should be surfaced or at least made rough with some fine emery paper.
If you are this far into it you should consider removing the flywheel and replacing the rear crank seal. The flywheel should be surfaced or at least made rough with some fine emery paper.
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
my pilot bearing (1985.5) was a press fit into the flywheel, it was not held in by the plate you refer to...which is why I suggested freezing the bearing.
Jim
Jim
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
i"ve heard of some real oddball removing method. I think i removed mine by blowing compressed air down the middle of the bearing. I think other have used a grease gun and forced it out that way.
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
Ditto the "resurface the flywheel" while you are at it. Also, this link should helphttp://fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic.php ... se#p209480
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
When I did my clutch last year I put in a Miller's Mule lightened flywheel. Big improvement.
A/R has them too.
Now's the time.
Did you read the link about using Wonder Bread to get the pilot bearing out?
A/R has them too.
Now's the time.
Did you read the link about using Wonder Bread to get the pilot bearing out?
Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
I use a bunch of diff tools depending to get em out. Basic slide hammer works.
I would try Wonder Bread before grease, although I have never done either (maybe the grease decades ago)
You would then be one of the few people in the world that fixed their car w Wonder Bread!
I would not surface that flywheel "just because". Did it chatter before?? Just like a head, you only have so much metal to work with, the moment you shave it you have changed the geometry of the system. I go over flywheels with a sanding board.
I would try Wonder Bread before grease, although I have never done either (maybe the grease decades ago)
You would then be one of the few people in the world that fixed their car w Wonder Bread!
I would not surface that flywheel "just because". Did it chatter before?? Just like a head, you only have so much metal to work with, the moment you shave it you have changed the geometry of the system. I go over flywheels with a sanding board.
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
@majicwrench....Looking at the full picture I wasn't sure that flywheel had been used in a long time......will that surface clean up well enough with a block and stay truly flat? If so, I probably could have skipped resurfacing minemajicwrench wrote: .... I would not surface that flywheel "just because". Did it chatter before?? .
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Re: Clutch Replacement: Urgent, please!
> my pilot bearing (1985.5) was a press fit into the flywheel,
83-85 pilot bearing is smaller than the earlier ones, so it comes through without removing the flywheel.
I wonder if that's why they changed the side.
83-85 pilot bearing is smaller than the earlier ones, so it comes through without removing the flywheel.
I wonder if that's why they changed the side.
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http://italiancarclub.com/csaba/
Co-owner of the best dang Fiat parts place in town
'71 124 Spider, much modified
'17 124 Abarth, silver
http://italiancarclub.com/csaba/
Co-owner of the best dang Fiat parts place in town