Block Numbers?

[2500diesel]

I have an engine in my shed . . . It's a FIAT motor and I'm pretty sure it's a 2.0l because it still has the O2 sensor on the exhaust manifold, and the AAR is still screwed onto it. My problem is, I'm not sure if it's a spider motor. It could have been from a Brava I had, or my 131, or it could be from a spider.
My question(s):
Did Fiat ever put FI on a 1756cc motor?
Is there any reference or registry of block numbers for the Fiat motors?

On the intake side of the block, as part of the casting is 132 AC 40/9 FIAT
There is a number above that, but it was too dark and rusty to read. The crank and both cams rotate, but there's some rust on the valves. I had duct tape over the intake ports, but that was 20+ years ago, and it's really a shed, not a garage. Anyway, it might make a decent rebuildable core.

I also found two sets of top bows, a gas tank, two front wiper valance panels with motors and armatures, a windshield, and a door window (no clue which one).

[bradartigue]

I may be wrong but am pretty sure "132AC" was only used on the 1529cc engine. The 132AC.40.49 I don't know what it was used on in terms of what car. You sure it says AC and not A1, A1 would have been a 1800cc. 1592s were not fuel injected engines, though you could install the FI system on it pretty easily using 2000FI parts.

Engine block numbers:

http://www.international-auto.com/fiat- ... cation.cfm

[2500diesel]

Brad, it's definitely a C, and it's an original fuel injected motor. The o2 sensor in the exhaust, AAR on the cam cover, and I only ever had one motor under 1756, and I know where that one is :<{ .
My confusion comes in because I had and tore apart other Fiats, 128s, 131s, a Brava or two. I'm thinking of using it as a core for a rebuild to drop In the '82 I just picked up, but I'd hat to put a time into it only to find that it won't work because it's a Brava motor and the bolts are different. I don't think they are, but you understand my point.

[2500diesel]

Pm me your email and I'll send you a photo of the block. I'm going back there tomorrow, to cut trees, but I'll take a minute to run a wire brush across it and take a better photo, the surface is rusty.

[2500diesel]

Okay, I think I have a ghost motor here, lol.
I got back to that motor in my shed. The block number is 132 AC 40/9 FIAT with a Six digit serial number beginning with a 4. The serial number was visible, and I should've written it down instead of trusting the phone camera. I'll get it tomorrow. It is an iron block, aluminum doc head with a factory exhaust manifold with an O2 sensor, and an AAR bolted to the head just like the one in my '82 spider. According to IAP, it doesn't exist.
I guess I'll pull it out one day if I need it. It's just a core at this point, it would need a thorough going through, a valve job at least. At the most, it would allow me to drive the car while I build a replacement motor for it.

If anyone here has any info, I'd appreciate the help.

[bradartigue]

Camshaft covers were interchangeable amongst all model years, so having a cover from one year on another doesn't mean it was an FI motor. The head could be from a 2000 or 1800 or 1592, and the block is a 1592. Just sounds like something that was cobbled together.

Whats the casting number of the head (between the cam towers the head is stamped with numbers).

[2500diesel]

Serial number of 4377455 corresponds to a 1979 131 Brava wagon, which honestly brings back some vague memories. I don't know why I had a Brava wagon, but I think it's possible. I raced my spiders, and would've been likely to buy it as a parts car
That would also go with the F. I. components on the head and exhaust, since the Brava had the 2.0 for '79. Much more likely than someone building a frankenmotor and leaving it in my shed.
I'll go with it as a 2 liter, at least until I pull the head, which won't happen until I'm ready to rebuild it.

[bradartigue]

Serial number of 4377455 corresponds to a 1979 131 Brava wagon

But 132AC would be a 1592... 1979 Brava Wagon would have had 132.C2.040 or 132.C2.031. Hows about a picture of this curiosity?

And hey, I'm happy to be wrong. God knows the nomenclature they used is half the fun.

[wetminkey]

I've got my old block in my shop,...I'm gonna have to see if I can ID the numbers off of it. It is a '79 2000cc block. And perhaps I can ID the numbers off of the block I got from Bayless, that's in the car,...another '79 2000cc. I don't know if that will help, 'cause they're carbureted...but perhaps it will provide some reference. And good for me to know more anyway.
Todd.

[2500diesel]

Brad, If I ever get some time. It's just a pain to have to load to photobucket, then attach here. I'll PM you my email. Send me an email, I'll reply with a photo. The photos I have don't show the serial #, but they show the block #s great.
The reason I'm so resistant to the idea of it being a 1592 is because I never had a car with that block, just 1796s and 1996s. I did have a 1608 block at one time, but it had 12:1 racing pistons installed, and I know where that one is. so that's out. Anyway, I'll post when I can, it's off to work for now.
Jeff

[wetminkey]

Well,...
If nothing else, I sure came up with some really weird stuff.
First, it's a lot easier to get the serial numbers and block numbers off a stripped block than one that's fully assembled and in the car!!
Secondly, I came up with odd #'s: the block that was in the car when I bought it (and run with no air cleaner by the PO(S), ruining the engine, of course!) has these numbers easily read: 4377455, and just below that: 132 AC. 40/9 FIAT. That doesn't seem to correspond to a '79 Pininfarina Spider 2000,...
And the block that I bought from Bayless (fourteen years ago) has these numbers (read upside down and backward with my mirror, mind you): 4116534, and just below that: 132 DB 2A.O FIAT. I can't even find that one on the list that bradartigue provided the link to,...
Both engines have the numbers at the top of the block, near the rear, on the driver's side, BTW.
What does everyone make of that?
Todd.

[wetminkey]

No opinions on this?
Todd.

[2500diesel]

Wet, Check that serial# again. I think you made a mistake. The block in my shed has the same serial# as the one you say came from your car.
I suggest you check that number and contact Ralf on this forum. He has the German FIAT registry, and can probably help with the new block too.
Jeff

[wetminkey]

No mistake on the disassembled block that came from the car. These are numbers cast into the driver's side of the block: 4377455, and just below that: 132 AC. 40/9 FIAT. It sits in my shop and the casting is easily read and was double checked by me.
I'm used to blocks having stamped numbers, so perhaps I'm reading numbers other than the actual serial number. Where is the Fiat straight four's serial number located at?
The block that is presently in the car is a bit more difficult, since I have to read the numbers with a mirror, so I'm trying to read numbers backwards and upside down, but they sure appear to be 4116534, and just below that: 132 DB 2A.O FIAT.
I'll get, and post a pic, tomorrow,...that way we'll know if my numbers are correct.
Sounds like I need to get in contact with Ralf,...
Todd.

[wetminkey]

Please let me know,...are these the engine make, model, and serial numbers:



I even took a rubbing, just in case the pictures didn't show the numbers well. No doubt about it, this reads 4377455 and just below that 132 AC 40/9 FIAT.
Perhaps the engine block sequential serial number is located elsewhere,...but I sure haven't located any other sets of numbers.
Thanks, Todd.