Spider VS Spitfire? Which should I buy?

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miragesmack

Spider VS Spitfire? Which should I buy?

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Okay, I know I'm on a Spider forum, but work with me here. I want comparisons, especially from those who have owned both. I would do them differently, and each styles suits me. There are advantages/disadvantages to each. Honestly, I'd be happy with either likely, but why not be Perfectly happy!

My next car/project process: Started with Spitfire, Spider, Alfa Romeo Spider, 914, Opel, and Classic Mini. I ALMOST pulled the trigger on a nice Mini last week, but held off because it's not really what I want deep down. Maybe later. A need a droptop for sure. The 914 is close, but not quite the classic look I'm looking for, and Alfa maybe looks too cute, heavy. I've looked a little for a while, and I'm in no real hurry. If you asked me a month ago, I was sure I would get a Spitfire, but the Spider has come on strong lately.

My philosphy: I have owned mostly stock cars, like my '67 GTO convertible (wrong year engine), and have owned heavily modified like my Rotary powered BMW 2002. I'm looking for a happy medium, with tasteful mods and modest performance mods. I like light cars (see list above) thinking it's neat to squeeze performance out of losing weight, like I did on my boat. I like cars that handle, and quick and nimble is now more important than fast, 47 tickets later. :cry: I like big brakes on small cars. In my mind, I need to improve what the designer didn't ($$$) or couldn't do because the technology wasn't available. I like European influences like exterior lighting, bumpers, etc. I love the Abarth look, and many cars I've owned had no or European bumpers.

Spit plusses: Seems to be a bigger aftermarket, engine, suspension, etc, mods are unlimited. A lighter car with more opportunity to lighten it further, many aluminum, fiberglass parts out there. Who doesn't dig a flip up bonnet? Hardtops are much more available, and more attractive. More wheel options, and better suspension. Things I like (but my opinion only) are the rear end and the Spit dash, though similar to Fiat. It's made in an English speaking country, making websites from the homeland easier to read than Fiat native italian Spit minuses: Anemic motor w/ old technology, no 5 speed and an awkward shift position, clumsier interior, too much cardboard, no rear disk brakes, and apparently not as reliable. I can modify many of the minuses like 5 speed and brakes, but $$$$$$.

Spider plusses: 5 speed, disk brakes, nicer interior, higher tech engine w/ more power and better looks w/ twin cam. Better forum! Love the bumberless/Abarth look. Spider minuses: Heavier (what can I get it down to?), aftermarket parts slim pickins, suspension has less options, wheel options, a hard to find hardtop which is odd looking IMO, and I love the Spit hardtop look. It's like 2 cars in one, and I want to drive it in the winter.Hard to read Italian or convert the many italian sites.

I didn't list some areas, like rust, becasue that is an issue with both, or a dashboard that's easy to modify, or that neither are trendy like the MG and both like to leak oil. (Love your fiberglass dash Mark) These are off the top of my head. I have spent maybe 20 hours a week researching for much of this year. I'm going to a British meet next week, and hope to find a Fiat event nearby, Louisville KY. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Stephan
So Cal Mark

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Post by So Cal Mark »

you've hit most of the pluses and minuses on the head. They're both cool little cars (though that will bring lots of discussion on either forum). IMHO, over the past 20 yrs, the Spit would be the easier car to restore and modify. But from what I've seen, general interest in Brit cars is fading a bit and the aftermarket is contracting. On the other hand. since Fiats have been far cheaper, the market is now expanding as they are seen as a low cost entry into the vintage sports car market. For instance, Moss Motors has branched into Minis, Hummers, PT Cruisers and a few other models as the Brit parts market has been shrinking. While there isn't quite the product base like that for Fiats, it's growing and there are several of us that are actively developing custom items for the Spider. Reproduction parts are becoming more plentiful.

As for perf, I believe the Spider has more potential. It really isn't too difficult to get in the 140 hp range with the Fiat. With the lower weight for the Spit I'd think you would have to develop 115-120 hp for comparable performance.
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Post by seabeelt »

After having owned both, My vote goes to the Fiat
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1971 Spider -Tropie’ - w screaming IDFs
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mbouse

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Post by mbouse »

currently owning both, i strongly suggest dropping by my place and buying this pristine example of a 1969 Triumph Spitfire. it comes with the original tonneau cover, a N.O.S. vinyl top, and a period correct convertible boot.

this vehicle comes equiped with a substantial performance upgrade in that the standard 4 cyl engine and mating tranny were replaced with a reworked 1972 6 cyl engine from a GT 6 !! no further performace mods need to be done.

hurry...only one left in stock! :mrgreen:
JeremyB

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Post by JeremyB »

Mirage, I cannot offer any advice about the Spit, but there is a Fiat event in Mo, in 2 weeks. MOFLO. Mo Fiat Lancia Ownrs is havign the annual meet at the Lake of the Ozarks. I promise there will be a bunch of Fiats from all over teh midwest.
If you want info, go to moflo.org .
mbouse

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well, if its events you want, i can assure you that in the Car Capital of the WORLD (Michigan) there are more British cars attending more British car events per year than there are all other foreign cars attending foreign car events put together.

Last year, at Gilmore's Museum, hosted by Mad Dogs and Englishmen, there were 390+ pre registered and attending British cars at this one day event; held in zero shade with 98 degree temp and 90+ percent humidity. It was their 17th annual show. That show paled in comparison to the Detroit LBC show held just weeks later.

Our group doesn't even get invited to the Italian fest held somewhere in Michigan.
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Post by ga.spyder »

Mirage ,buy Mike's Spitwad....Please!
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1982 Spider 2000...pride and joy
1981 Fiat X1/9..gone but not forgotten
1976 124 Spider..the self-healer
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mbouse

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hey! he asked ... i offered.

i bet he didn't think the spitwad would get a fair shake at this forum.
miragesmack

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Thanks for the response folks! Keep it coming.

Mike, I think your car sounds too perfect for me. I've decided not to ruin a car that is in great shape and original, and it sounds like your car is both. For that reason, I have limited myself to '74 and later Spits to stay out of the MK series cars. The same applies to Fiats.

Seebolt, since you have had both, why Fiat?

Mark, your post about the aftermarket interest me. I haven't had the priveledge of seeing the changes there over the years like you guys (and gals), so I don't know where it's been or going. If I understand you, do you think the AM will actually improve as times goes on? I agree with your HP assesments, as that is about what I figured to get either way (without going overboard), but maybe 5-10 less on the Triumph side. I've seen a few comments here and there about Fiat becoming more collectible, so maybe I'm getting in at a good time?

Which reminds me of the worst decision I ever made in my life. In 1983, I had a chance to buy a Ferrari, which I did. I had a choice between a '79 308 Berlinetta (which was flood damaged, I could easily fix that :roll: ) or for $3K extra I could have had a Dino 206, not prisitine but very nice. Back then, it was the bastard child of Ferrari's with it's lowly Fiat 6 cyl. Having GTO's my whole life, I chose the V8 of course. The car was an epic disaster (electrical nightmare and then some) that I couldn't ever get fixed, either due to skill level or $$$$. I did sell it and broke even, and those cars are still relatively affordable today. The Dino's on the other hand can go for $250,000 or more!!!! Ive always had an interest in Italian cars since then, I just never dabbled.
miragesmack

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JeremyB Sorry, forgot about you. Thanks for the info, but I don't think I can make it on short notice, plus fuel prices are killing me right now and I'm staying close to home. I'll check out the website though.
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I believe the Spider aftermarket will continue to improve. Reason being is that there is increasing demand for resto items. In the last year I've seen a large increase in interest of the Spider. Many new owners, and they want to repair and improve the cars.
mbouse

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Post by mbouse »

miragesmack wrote:Thanks for the response folks! Keep it coming.

Mike, I think your car sounds too perfect for me. I've decided not to ruin a car that is in great shape and original, and it sounds like your car is both. For that reason, I have limited myself to '74 and later Spits to stay out of the MK series cars. The same applies to Fiats.
Sorry, the '69 IS an MK series, specifically a MK III. other than that, you hit the nail on the head. this car, though in very good shape sheet metal and frame wise, would not be a pristine award winner that would be "ruined" by your hands. give it a front end alignment and put the top in place, and it would be a great everyday driver.

Quite frankly, i doubt that you could ruin ANY car if your goal was to keep it on the road and enjoy your time with it. I'm far from the advocate of the Concourse winning factory originals. Those aren't where the enjoyment lie for me. I'd be scared to drive one, much less own one. I prefer to see how many miles i can put on each year, not how few.
Spiddy

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Post by Spiddy »

I find it fascinating the way our two cultures differ regarding cars. In the UK, the spitfire is definately the poor relation. I'm not being sexist, but they are viewed as a bit girlie or a hairdressers car - very feminine. :wink: However, having said all that, I find they have much better ride quality than say an MGB, but not as good as the 124. Also the strange camber angle on the rear wheels means the tyres (sorry, tires to you) get scrubbed on the inside.

Personally, If I was to buy a Spit, it would have to be a GT6. Great looking car.
mbouse

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and, of the bastard step-child, here in USA, the GT6 is and was less desirable than even the Spitfire.
Spiddy

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........and I thought you Yanks had taste :|
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