Bran100's head
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Bran100's head
received the head today, unpacked and torn down, began cleaning.
the first 2 pictures are of the head as received
then torn down, this head was 100% original, no one has been into it ever, still had oem seals and gaskets, hard as a rock
this was the first sign of trouble, when i pulled the water neck, there was no gasket left, and lots of corrosion
the combustion chamber with valves still in
and with valves out, note how clean the intake passages are, have to love efi!
valve seat details
note the coolant passage above the exhaust seat
head out of the cleaner, this is what i found, i media blasted it to get a better look
this is how it looked before, note it was completely filled with corrosion
this is after cleaning and some grinding to see what was left
the red arrow shows deep pitting
the yellow arrow shows the pitting growing to the edge of the head
the green area is how much margin is left between the cooling passage and the outside of the head
the blue area is how close the sealing ring for the combustion chamber is to the cooling passage
this is what it is supposed to look like
the first 2 pictures are of the head as received
then torn down, this head was 100% original, no one has been into it ever, still had oem seals and gaskets, hard as a rock
this was the first sign of trouble, when i pulled the water neck, there was no gasket left, and lots of corrosion
the combustion chamber with valves still in
and with valves out, note how clean the intake passages are, have to love efi!
valve seat details
note the coolant passage above the exhaust seat
head out of the cleaner, this is what i found, i media blasted it to get a better look
this is how it looked before, note it was completely filled with corrosion
this is after cleaning and some grinding to see what was left
the red arrow shows deep pitting
the yellow arrow shows the pitting growing to the edge of the head
the green area is how much margin is left between the cooling passage and the outside of the head
the blue area is how close the sealing ring for the combustion chamber is to the cooling passage
this is what it is supposed to look like
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son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
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Re: Bran100's head
does anyone have a head they want to sell him? its for a fuel injected car
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son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
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Re: Bran100's head
I have a carb'd 2L head here but the shipping would be stupid...
Chris
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Re: Bran100's head
What happen? Does it just eat away the walls or Pitt it so bad that it can't be done?
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
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Re: Bran100's head
Should we be using some anti-corrosion treatment in our cooling systems on these cars? Or do the modern coolants, "Prestone", etc have enough?
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Re: Bran100's head
You are suppose to flush the system and add new,every 5 years or so,that's in any carRRoller123 wrote:Should we be using some anti-corrosion treatment in our cooling systems on these cars? Or do the modern coolants, "Prestone", etc have enough?
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
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East Grand Forks MN
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1969 124 AS Spider
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2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
Re: Bran100's head
green coolant, ethylene glycol, should be flushed and replaced every two years. Electrolysis will eat away that ridge under the water tee and the coolant passages in the head
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Re: Bran100's head
Thanks Mark, will follow that guideline for sure.
'80 FI Spider 2000
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
2003 Jaguar XK8
2003 Jaguar XKR
2021 Jayco 22RB
2019 Bianchi Torino Bicycle
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
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Re: Bran100's head
Thanks all, I've got a line on a couple of heads and can hopefully pick up where we left off shortly.
Brandon
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Re: Bran100's head
update!
cleaned the new head, all is good, there was a large amount of casting slag in the ports, very unusual for fiat, so i "cleaned "the ports a little extra
cleaned the new head, all is good, there was a large amount of casting slag in the ports, very unusual for fiat, so i "cleaned "the ports a little extra
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75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
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Re: Bran100's head
Nice looking head, and work!
Michael and Deborah Williamson
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1971 Spider -Tropie’ - w screaming IDFs
1971 Spider - Vesper -scrapped
1979 Spider - Seraphina - our son's car now sold
1972 Spider - Tortellini- our son's current
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Re: Bran100's head
update:
intake port detail (note the 3 angle cut on the seat)
valves cut and hand lapped, you can see the sealing line on the valve to the right
valve springs installed
camshafts installed and valves adjusted (marks efi performance cams)
head ready for shipping
intake port detail (note the 3 angle cut on the seat)
valves cut and hand lapped, you can see the sealing line on the valve to the right
valve springs installed
camshafts installed and valves adjusted (marks efi performance cams)
head ready for shipping
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son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
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Re: Bran100's head
Getting excited for it!! Looking great!
Dropping off the block locally tomorrow for .40 over
Dropping off the block locally tomorrow for .40 over
Brandon
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Re: Bran100's head
Is the new head a 100s as well?
With the 43,5mm intake?
BEEK you are Awsome, very nice work..
Do you change the valveguides on many fiatheads when you grind the seats?
Alf
With the 43,5mm intake?
BEEK you are Awsome, very nice work..
Do you change the valveguides on many fiatheads when you grind the seats?
Alf
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Re: Bran100's head
i only change the guides when they are worn, usually only the brass ones wear. the cast guides for the most part dont wear. Every once in a while they do, and i will replace them
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75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider