128 wagon

georgeramos · Post by **georgeramos** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:04 am

Anyone ever have one? Does the"cargo" area hold a lot? i have a chance to buy one and if I do Id like to sell my van and use the wagon to schlep tools and stuff. For plywood Id have to come up with another plan (inventory some maybe) but for a kitchen installations worth of tools do you think the 128 can handle it?

giuliot60 · Post by **giuliot60** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:15 am

I think you'd be the best judge of that George. Have you seen the car in person?

Fi8spider · Post by **Fi8spider** » Fri May 10, 2013 4:29 am

I've never seen an Estate/wagon in the flesh but being front wheel drive and no need for floor tunnels I'd imagine the cargo area would be quite low and flat. I only have basic outer dimensions from my Haynes if needed.

A wagon would certainly be a unique way to get around work with. I use my sedan as a daily drifter and I wouldn't have it any other way. If you do have a chance to buy one just watch out for rust around the left front sway bar mount where it bolts up under the front apron, quite common. Easily fixed if it's not too far gone.

giuliot60 · Post by **giuliot60** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:14 pm

It would be great to see a shot (or more) of the car. I loved my 128 sedan (my first car). Too bad there aren't many of them around.

I found this YouTube video that I thought you might find interesting. Too bad it's shot vertically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9YUqYJ7BYQ

thechadzone · Post by **thechadzone** » Fri May 24, 2013 6:13 am

Hi George, that's an interesting idea. I think you should drive one before buying. The front wheel drive cars have their own virtues, but they're totally different from the rwd 124. The 128 is said to be one of the most fun fwd cars ever made. I've read that Enzo Ferrari used a dual carbureted 128 Sedan as his daily driver.

I saw a 128 Wagon at a show a few years back, and it was pretty cool. The tuning potential on these cars is huge, but you start with a 1200cc motor that doesn't have much more strength than the 850's 903cc motor. If you're into such things, I've read about Fiat Uno Turbo motor upgrades for the 128 that are pretty straight forward. You'd have to troll Europe for one, but parts hunting is fun. You can also install the x19's 1300 or 1500 to replace the factory 1200 motor, that I think is closer to 1150. I think you can also upgrade to the x19 1500's 5 speed as well.

Here's a quick look at the one I saw at the show. It was perfect, and its owner loved it. That's my blue BC Coupe in the vid as well.

http://youtu.be/fTWy6jaJuiw

georgeramos · Post by **georgeramos** » Sat May 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Thanks Chad! Thats a cool one, very similar to what the seller just bought to replace the blue one Im looking at. I havent seen it in person yet but should be going over there some time soon.

I am so glad you are keeping the coupe!

Fi8spider · Post by **Fi8spider** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:15 pm

thechadzone wrote: You can also install the x19's 1300 or 1500 to replace the factory 1200 motor, that I think is closer to 1150. I think you can also upgrade to the x19 1500's 5 speed as well.

Standard cc is 1116, cute, short lively stroke. The engine upgrades 1300 and 1500 all fit with some mods, a 5 speed on the other hand is much more challenging.
The 5 speed from an X19 has an extension on the end of the gearbox which will foul on the LH 128 chassis rail, the rail will have to be chopped and boxed in (PITA). When you do get it in the next headache are the drive shafts - on the gearbox side of the shaft the X19 are a bolt on flange where as the 128 uses a tripod so a cut and shut will have to be performed along with a rebalance. I don't now if the Fiat Regata 85s made it to the US shores but the 5 speed out of this model does not have the extension on the housing making it a whole lot easier to make it fit, tight but it fits. The tripods on the Regata are different to the 128 and a cut and shut on the driveshaft will need to be performed, before you ask, no the 4 speed 128 diff will not go into either of the 5 speeds, if it did it would eliminate the need for the driveshafts to be modified.

Nice vid chadzone! love your coupe and that 128 wagon is as you say, seriously "B!thcin"

djape1977 · Post by **djape1977** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:53 pm

actually, there's a car called zastava 101, a derivative of the 128 produced by same factory that used to make yugo, that was made it up to 2007 or 2008. there was a 5sp gearbox, sway bar to clear extended gearbox housing for 5th gear, several diferent diff ratios, even 10/53 used for hillclimb races, electronic ignition, reduction starter motors, dual carbs and manifolds to suit them, difetent camshafts, EFI systems, frame stifening rails, all straight bolt on to 128 sedan, rally or station wagon...

or you could go and hunt for ritmo (strada in US market), or some of later european market only fiats. even a 1.6 16v from 2002 fiat bravo is still 90% bolt on into 128 body

djape1977 · Post by **djape1977** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:58 pm

Fi8spider wrote:
thechadzone wrote: You can also install the x19's 1300 or 1500 to replace the factory 1200 motor, that I think is closer to 1150. I think you can also upgrade to the x19 1500's 5 speed as well.
Standard cc is 1116, cute, short lively stroke. The engine upgrades 1300 and 1500 all fit with some mods, a 5 speed on the other hand is much more challenging.
The 5 speed from an X19 has an extension on the end of the gearbox which will foul on the LH 128 chassis rail, the rail will have to be chopped and boxed in (PITA). When you do get it in the next headache are the drive shafts - on the gearbox side of the shaft the X19 are a bolt on flange where as the 128 uses a tripod so a cut and shut will have to be performed along with a rebalance. I don't now if the Fiat Regata 85s made it to the US shores but the 5 speed out of this model does not have the extension on the housing making it a whole lot easier to make it fit, tight but it fits. The tripods on the Regata are different to the 128 and a cut and shut on the driveshaft will need to be performed, before you ask, no the 4 speed 128 diff will not go into either of the 5 speeds, if it did it would eliminate the need for the driveshafts to be modified.

Nice vid chadzone! love your coupe and that 128 wagon is as you say, seriously "B!thcin"

actually a yugo 5 speed fits in between frame rails of a 128 but needs a diferent sway bar to clear 5th gear housing. sway bar is available on stock 5speed zastava 128/101 (yugo 311, 313, 511, 513 for UK market, google it).
gearbox mount is diferent on yugo but you just need a flange from a 128 gearbox that is a straight bolt on into yugo gearbox and viola! you have a 128 5speed!

georgeramos · Post by **georgeramos** » Sat May 25, 2013 7:08 pm

Y'all are getting way ahead of me...!

georgeramos · Post by **georgeramos** » Sat May 25, 2013 10:51 pm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ciclismo_j ... 835499491/

Link to pic of the wagon im looking at

Fi8spider · Post by **Fi8spider** » Sun May 26, 2013 11:11 pm

I thought it wouldn't be long before you chimed in djape, now all we need is aki or zfa128 and this threads a jumping'

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We don't get all these models you mention in oz, so I'm contemplating a 1580 stroker for my 1300 block. The project is underway with the injection parts rolling in, im looking at pistons out of the bravo, just waiting for my sample to arrive

. I'm keeping it 4 speed for now as all my driving will be either hill climb or short track.

George the only problem I see with that wagon is - that it's not at your house!

Good luck mate.

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