Fall/Winter/Spring Projects 2012/13 for Fiona RESOLVED
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
if these are the current industry standard, how does one go about correcting this issue
Jay
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1980 FI 2000 Spider
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Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
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2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
FOUND THIS, LOOKS LIKE I WAS GIVEN IMPERIAL RATHER THAN METRIC
http://www.hoseandfittingsetc.com/our-b ... rake-Lines
Brake Line Thread Identification: What it Entails
Thread identification means learning the thread size and pitch. The thread size is determined by the outside diameter of the male thread, or the inside diameter of the female thread. Pitch refers to the distance from one thread groove to the next (measured from crest to crest).
There are two systems for measuring threads – metric and imperial (same as SAE or American). Metric thread is measured in millimeters. For example, M10x1 refers to 10 mm diameter and 1 mm thread pitch (M stands for Metric). Imperial thread diameter is measured in fractions of an inch and imperial pitch is measured in threads per inch (TPI). For example, 3/8” x 24NF refers to 3/8” diameter and 24 threads per inch pitch (NF stands for National Fine; other options are NS – National Special and BSF – British Standard Fine).
Example:
Brake Line Thread Identification: Methods
The easiest thread identification method is to use a thread ID gauge (such as BrakeQuip Thread ID Kit – Part# BQ2100). Alternatively, you can take an unknown male or female part and try to screw it together with a part you already know the size of – if it fits, you now know the size of both.
However, you do not need a thread ID kit or identified nuts and bolts for correct thread identification. You can measure the thread to ID it.
First, use calipers to measure the thread diameter. The male threads will be slightly smaller than the nominal size, and the female threads will be slightly larger than their nominal size.
Next, measure the pitch. For imperial sizes, count the number of crests within a ½” section and multiply it by two to get TPI. If your thread is long enough, count the number of crests within one inch to get TPI. For metric sizes, just measure the distance between the two crests.
Threads Found on Braking Systems:
3/8” x 24NF
3/8” x 20BSF
7/16 x 20NF
7/16 x 24NS
1/2” x 20NF
9/16” x 18NF
9/16” x 20NS
M9 x 1
M10 x 1
M10 x 1.25
M10 x 1.5
M11 x 1.25
M12 x 1
M12 x 1.25
M12 x 1.5
M14 x 1.5
Thread Identification: Tips
The most common threads are: 3/8 x 24NF, 7/16 x 24NS, and M10 x 1
The most commonly confused sizes are 3/8” with 10 mm, and 7/16” with 11 mm. The 3/8” x 24NF will screw into M10 x 1 thread but not the other way around, so always try to screw M10 x 1 into 3/8” x 24NF to see if you have a match. If you are deciding between 7/16” and 11mm, the safer bet is to go with 7/16” because 11 mm is extremely rare.
It is possible to have a metric thread on one end of a brake line, and an imperial thread on the other end.
You can generally distinguish whether you have a metric or imperial threaded brake line from the year and origin of your vehicle:
•European (not UK) – metric (99%)
•Asian – metric (99%)
•UK up to 1976 – imperial
•UK after 1976 – metric
•US prior to 1980 – imperial
•US after 1980 – could be either, thank you Detroit!
http://www.hoseandfittingsetc.com/our-b ... rake-Lines
Brake Line Thread Identification: What it Entails
Thread identification means learning the thread size and pitch. The thread size is determined by the outside diameter of the male thread, or the inside diameter of the female thread. Pitch refers to the distance from one thread groove to the next (measured from crest to crest).
There are two systems for measuring threads – metric and imperial (same as SAE or American). Metric thread is measured in millimeters. For example, M10x1 refers to 10 mm diameter and 1 mm thread pitch (M stands for Metric). Imperial thread diameter is measured in fractions of an inch and imperial pitch is measured in threads per inch (TPI). For example, 3/8” x 24NF refers to 3/8” diameter and 24 threads per inch pitch (NF stands for National Fine; other options are NS – National Special and BSF – British Standard Fine).
Example:
Brake Line Thread Identification: Methods
The easiest thread identification method is to use a thread ID gauge (such as BrakeQuip Thread ID Kit – Part# BQ2100). Alternatively, you can take an unknown male or female part and try to screw it together with a part you already know the size of – if it fits, you now know the size of both.
However, you do not need a thread ID kit or identified nuts and bolts for correct thread identification. You can measure the thread to ID it.
First, use calipers to measure the thread diameter. The male threads will be slightly smaller than the nominal size, and the female threads will be slightly larger than their nominal size.
Next, measure the pitch. For imperial sizes, count the number of crests within a ½” section and multiply it by two to get TPI. If your thread is long enough, count the number of crests within one inch to get TPI. For metric sizes, just measure the distance between the two crests.
Threads Found on Braking Systems:
3/8” x 24NF
3/8” x 20BSF
7/16 x 20NF
7/16 x 24NS
1/2” x 20NF
9/16” x 18NF
9/16” x 20NS
M9 x 1
M10 x 1
M10 x 1.25
M10 x 1.5
M11 x 1.25
M12 x 1
M12 x 1.25
M12 x 1.5
M14 x 1.5
Thread Identification: Tips
The most common threads are: 3/8 x 24NF, 7/16 x 24NS, and M10 x 1
The most commonly confused sizes are 3/8” with 10 mm, and 7/16” with 11 mm. The 3/8” x 24NF will screw into M10 x 1 thread but not the other way around, so always try to screw M10 x 1 into 3/8” x 24NF to see if you have a match. If you are deciding between 7/16” and 11mm, the safer bet is to go with 7/16” because 11 mm is extremely rare.
It is possible to have a metric thread on one end of a brake line, and an imperial thread on the other end.
You can generally distinguish whether you have a metric or imperial threaded brake line from the year and origin of your vehicle:
•European (not UK) – metric (99%)
•Asian – metric (99%)
•UK up to 1976 – imperial
•UK after 1976 – metric
•US prior to 1980 – imperial
•US after 1980 – could be either, thank you Detroit!
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Sorry about the brake line nuts... I tried 3 different nuts before I found the right ones...
So if you're still looking, this is where I got mine. http://store.fedhillusa.com/m43.aspx
So if you're still looking, this is where I got mine. http://store.fedhillusa.com/m43.aspx
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
I am just going to go back, do a swap and get the correct product
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
okay good deal. Flaring isn't what I'd call exciting... So, I'm jealous you don't have to.
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
I was actually looking forward to it, after buying my kit
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Hi Jay the brake line nut can be purchased at Part Source the product number is 3470, they also carry the bleeder screws.
Did mine last year on the 74 spider, worked like a charm.
Nick
Did mine last year on the 74 spider, worked like a charm.
Nick
Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Oh, haha well after working on my brakes for a long time and eventually giving up. I can say brakes aren't really my favorite part of the car to work on.
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Tomorrow we do the flaring
It would appear that there is some success
and hopefully the coil spring install
This outta take care of my inner coil spring
It would appear that there is some success
and hopefully the coil spring install
This outta take care of my inner coil spring
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
scratched the crap out my poor springs
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
That stinks on the cams spring... You could spray some of the paint, assuming it's spray on, into the cap and use a small brush or something to cover the scratches.
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Thanks Weelan.
Before I go and make a fatal error thought I would ask for advice. I am about to remove my coil spring compressor, and I wanted to know do I tighten the nuts that hold the upper and lower control arms to the steering knuckle first?
If so, it would appear that I need to remove the steering lever first (to be able to get at the nuts)
Before I go and make a fatal error thought I would ask for advice. I am about to remove my coil spring compressor, and I wanted to know do I tighten the nuts that hold the upper and lower control arms to the steering knuckle first?
If so, it would appear that I need to remove the steering lever first (to be able to get at the nuts)
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Yes you need to tighten the ball joint nuts first, otherwise the spring will not let the joints seat. It helps to use regular nuts first to seat the ball joints and then put on the lock nuts.
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1981 Fiat Spider 2000 AT
1982 Fiat Spider 2000 5sd
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Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Thanks
Jay
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Fiona
1980 FI 2000 Spider
ITZEBTZE
https://goo.gl/photos/eNKaX7hrXhBu9fmp6
FINN (FN-2187)
2014 Jeep Wrangler Sport
MYTHERPY
Re: Fall/Winter/Spring Projects for Fiona
Jay,4uall wrote:
are your master cylinder's white plastic plugs original ?
mine are vertical, and they are not very convenient to route the brake fluid hose easily under the brake fluid tanks.
any late version improvement ?