heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

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flatlander
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Your car is a: 1976 Fiat 124 Spider
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heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

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The bits you see on the oil pump screen have a rubbery consistency and the bottom of the oil pan is covered in a thick, black sludge. I have only a couple hundred miles on the motor since a complete rebuild. I have not been driving it because it would not maintain any oil pressure at idle; would get to about 35 lbs at 2500 RPM and above but drop back to zero when allowed to slow back to idle. Pulled it apart to replace the oil pump; the oil in the sump seemed pretty normal: no bad smell, no obvious discoloration, but the stuff on the bottom of the oil pick-up and in the bottom of the pan is just nasty. I am hoping someone can give me some insight as to what I may have done wrong; any advice or suggestions will be appreciated.
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

Post by spiderrey »

Just a long shot guess here. Someone used a lot of silicone sealer on the gaskets and it got into the oil system.
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Post by So Cal Mark »

it does look like rtv to me. Post a pic of the oil pan
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

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Good call on the silicone sealer.
Take a look at the surfaces where the silicone was/could be used. If there are great gobs hanging out the side you can see, be assured the same inside.
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flatlander
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

Post by flatlander »

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, I already cleaned and reinstalled the oil pan. No silicone gasket sealer. I did the build myself and the only gasket sealer I used was Copper Coat.
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

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Assembly lube?
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flatlander
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

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Trey: I'm not at all sure what you mean by 'assembly tube'
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Post by So Cal Mark »

rub one of those bits between your fingers. If it's sludge it will smear on your fingers, if it's rubber or rtv it will be obvious. If you didn't use rtv I'm thinking it's pieces of a seal
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flatlander wrote:Trey: I'm not at all sure what you mean by 'assembly tube'
That's lube, like moly assembly lube/grease?
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Re: heavy, BLACK sludge in recent rebuild

Post by azruss »

the question i pose is did you disassemble your oil pump to see if it was contaminated with this mysterious black goo. that may be the issue of your low oil pressure issues. Also need to blow out the exit tube to see if it is clogged. May also need to pull the oil filter to see if any contamination got to that point as well.
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