The true enemy...

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The true enemy...

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Rust is the true enemy to the spider and just about every other classic fiat. What started as a small cut out grew way larger on my wheel arch corners in order to get rid of an acceptable amount of the rusted panel. looking like I might have to replace some of the inner wheel well too.
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I thought I had a before shot of the rust before I cut it out, but I didn't - kinda bummed about that..
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The rear is pretty bad hopefully most of the rust is just surface rust. You never know until you cut it open. I tell ya they didn't seal them very well in 1972...
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theProdikalSon

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I didnt know rust could do that!!! :shock: ... That is so scary! :cry:

How are you going to fix that?
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theProdikalSon wrote:I didnt know rust could do that!!! :shock: ... That is so scary! :cry:

How are you going to fix that?
I am going to weld in new metal. That is the best way i believe. I have a repair panel for the wheel arch and also for the rear valance. The other pieces I will have to fabricate myself. I was on IAP last night looking at body panels.Yikes! the price of replacement panels has risen exponentially since I last looked over five years ago. :shock:
Does anyone know a better resource for body metal?

Thanks!
Rob
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spence

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That is scary. So far, mine looks pretty solid. I'm sure I'll make some discoveries. Hopefully not as bad as yours.
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spence,

It was just a 1 inch hole at each end. but when you go in and cut it out it is way bigger that what you see.

In the back all i could see was pinholes. upon cutting it out I found the whole thing needed to be replaced.

WAY fubar dude!

:!: :!: :cry:
Rob
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Rob,

Hows it going with your rust repair?

As the weather gets warmer I would like to try to tackle some body work on my fiat. I ordered a welder from harbor freight and plan to do some tests on scrap metal, as I have never welded before. Is the first order of business when doing body work to sand all the paint and cut out the rust?

I am planning on repainting the car and don't care very much for the color... I am going to order some sandpaper and a grinder.. What grit would you recommend I use? I am pretty new to this stuff, but genetically handy lol..

Thanks!
Andrew
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Andrew,
body work and paint prep isnt as simple as "what grit should i buy". Would be worthwhile to find a good book or website on bodywork and paint prep. the only thing you should use a grinder on it to prep bare metal for filler or for welding in new metal. paint prep should be done with a DA or RO (dual-action or random orbit) sander. I bought an electric one at Lowe's and have been very happy with it. If you have any flattening to do, you will need some long blocks. they do make long air sanders that work well. Air sanders require a very large compressor to run. (5 hp wont be big enough).
I bought a mig welder from Harbor Freight and have regretted it ever since. particularly if you are a beginner, you will hate life. wish i would have spent twice the money and purchased a good welder.
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Andrew;
Azruss has some very good points to keep in mind. I recently did a much less ambitious rust repair than you and I was challenged by some of the more technical aspects. It is definitely doable but here are some of the "if I had to do it agains" that I would change.
I purchased an inexpensive Flux core MIG welder. The wire feed and flux wire worked fine, but my welder only had a high and low heat setting. I found that the low wasn't low enough to prevent all the "blow through" hole in my repairs. Make sure your welder has a variable heat setting, not just high and low. A more skilled welder would have more tricks to deal with holes and blow throughs but it does take alot of practice to get to that point. My three pieces of advice are: 1)tight fits between old and new metal - no gaps 2)use a "heat sink" like a piece of copper behind the sheet metal to help cool the metal being welded 3)lots of small tack welds
Remember to treat with rust converters etc. on those inside panels before you close them up. You never want to have to do this job again :shock:
Lots of patiece! Once you have a good solid piece of metal in place and some good body filler everything will start to look much better!
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Rob, have you tried these people for Spider panels?
http://www.alfaparts.net/fiatspider.html
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Andrew - somehow, I didn't catch your post... sorry about that. However everyone has given some very good advice here. I would like to ad that make sure you get a c02 bottle and run gas shielding for your mig welder that you will need to do your bodywork. The gas shield cools the metal as you weld and there is way less spatter. The welds you make should be nothing more than small tacks and jump around. Do not try and do one continuous weld. If done correctly you should be able to grind the weld smooth and make it appear as though you haven't welded it at all.I have to admit I am not that good yet but I am getting close and been studying the pros...practice makes perfect.

Linda - I will check out your link... thanks for the tip... :)

Rob
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Yeup, that is how about most Fiats look inside. I'm sure your frame rails look similar. I treated that area with a rust treatment. Another good reason you should treat inside your frame rails. This stuff is awesome.
http://www.eastwood.com/internal-frame- ... ozzle.html

I bought some rockers from Wolf Steele. I sent them back disappointed. If you can save what you have. Your better off. If not, then I would consider these guys. The items look nice in the pics until you try to fit them. You definitely have to work them.
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Hi Brady,

been watching your project... its turning out very nicely! I am going to treat the frame rails for sure as you suggested. If you don't, I think these cars will melt away. I am cutting in the round taillights on my spider. i noticed you did that on yours corvette style. I am doing mine corvair style with two round ones per side only smaller and the lens are flat not pointed like the corvair...same style as the first v6spider minus the backup lights. I am using white LEDS for the BU lights surface mounted in the inner taillights... fiat dino inspired - frenched in 8)

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